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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: comp.theory
Subject: Re: Pathological self-reference changes the semantics of the same
 finite string.
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2024 07:57:49 -0500
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On 8/30/2024 3:11 AM, Mikko wrote:
> On 2024-08-29 17:53:44 +0000, olcott said:
> 
>> I just proved that the basic notion of finite strings
>> having unique meanings independently of their context
>> is incorrect.
> 
> The context is the halting problem. 

The behavior of
the directly executed DDD and executed HHH
is different from the behavior of
the emulated DDD and the emulated HHH

and all four of them are emulated by the world
class x86 emulator libx86emu

It is easy to see that when the executed HHH emulates
DDD that it does this correctly when we look at the
execution trace and see the the first four instructions
of DDD are listed.

_DDD()
[00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002173] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
[00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
[0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
[0000217f] 83c404     add esp,+04
[00002182] 5d         pop ebp
[00002183] c3         ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]

New slave_stack at:1038c4
Begin Local Halt Decider Simulation   Execution Trace Stored at:1138cc
[00002172][001138bc][001138c0] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002173][001138bc][001138c0] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
[00002175][001138b8][00002172] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
[0000217a][001138b4][0000217f] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
New slave_stack at:14e2ec
[00002172][0015e2e4][0015e2e8] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002173][0015e2e4][0015e2e8] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
[00002175][0015e2e0][00002172] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
[0000217a][0015e2dc][0000217f] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
Local Halt Decider: Infinite Recursion Detected Simulation Stopped

Then this emulated DDD calls an emulated HHH(DDD).
It is easy to see that when the executed HHH emulates
itself emulated DDD that it does this correctly when we
look at the execution trace and see the the first four
instructions of DDD are listed again.

> It specifies the meanings
> but not any finite strings to carry these meanings. The meanings
> exist independently of any finite string. A solution or a partial
> solution to the problem specifies how each of these meanings shall
> be expressed with a finite string for other parts of the solution.
> 


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Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer