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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2024 10:59:06 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 54 Message-ID: <vasq8b$i9nc$1@dont-email.me> References: <vajdta$2qe9s$1@dont-email.me> <vak3a0$2teq9$1@dont-email.me> <vakhnf$302rl$2@dont-email.me> <vampgq$3dl83$3@dont-email.me> <van46p$3f6c0$6@dont-email.me> <van671$3fgd3$4@dont-email.me> <van6um$3foem$4@dont-email.me> <vandsl$3grf3$3@dont-email.me> <vaneq4$3h3es$1@dont-email.me> <vani7u$3hh2l$1@dont-email.me> <vaniq2$3hnvu$1@dont-email.me> <vanjd0$3hh2l$3@dont-email.me> <vank65$3htts$1@dont-email.me> <1055ba7a1450658831b250bccda8af887bdc6c8a@i2pn2.org> <vanut1$3jhrk$1@dont-email.me> <0e31140fcbcbfc262e34d122cedde84577c02738@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2024 17:59:07 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0bcb2e8a964ef5ab37c2a5858ba7d4a2"; logging-data="599788"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18nBI/baK4UgMxUBFci4+RL" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:xU4Gm9ulYSzMKJ8QdXC1YrSLAZY= In-Reply-To: <0e31140fcbcbfc262e34d122cedde84577c02738@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 4102 On 8/30/2024 10:00 AM, joes wrote: > Am Wed, 28 Aug 2024 14:47:45 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 8/28/2024 2:21 PM, joes wrote: >>> Am Wed, 28 Aug 2024 11:44:53 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>> On 8/28/2024 11:31 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>> Op 28.aug.2024 om 18:21 schreef olcott: >>>>>> On 8/28/2024 11:11 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>> Op 28.aug.2024 om 17:13 schreef olcott: >>>>>>>> On 8/28/2024 9:57 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>>>> Op 28.aug.2024 om 14:59 schreef olcott: >>>>>>>>>> On 8/28/2024 7:46 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Op 28.aug.2024 om 14:12 schreef olcott: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/28/2024 4:09 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 27.aug.2024 om 14:44 schreef olcott: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/27/2024 3:38 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 27.aug.2024 om 04:33 schreef olcott: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When we assume that: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (a) HHH is an x86 emulator that is in the same memory >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space as DDD. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (b) HHH emulates DDD according to the semantics of the x86 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> language. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then we can see that DDD emulated by HHH cannot possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get past its own machine address 0000217a. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, we see. In fact DDD is not needed at all. >>>>>>>>>>>> When 100% of the whole point is for HHH to correctly determine >>>>>>>>>>>> whether or not DDD would stop running if not aborted *IT IS >>>>>>>>>>>> RIDICULOUSLY STUPID TO SAY THAT DDD IS NOT NEEDED* >>> Like Fred has been saying for a month, what is HHH(HHH)? > ^ > >>>>>>>>>>> When without DDD it is clear as crystal that HHH cannot >>>>>>>>>>> possibly simulate itself correctly: >>>>>>>>> You may repeat it many more times, but HHH violated the semantics >>>>>>>>> of the x86 language by skipping the last few instructions of a >>>>>>>>> halting program. This finite string, when given for direct >>>>>>>>> execution, shows a halting behaviour. This is the proof what the >>>>>>>>> semantics of the x86 language means for this finite string: a >>>>>>>>> halting program. >>> It is very telling to see where these exchanges peter out (haha). >> A dishonest dodge way form the subject of DDD emulated by HHH. > To the subject of what? > DDD emulated by HHH DDD emulated by HHH DDD emulated by HHH DDD emulated by HHH DDD emulated by HHH -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer