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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!news.szaf.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: x <x@x.org> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Phillip Johnson wiki Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2024 13:36:22 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 227 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <vavus6$14s1q$1@dont-email.me> References: <vaoi4q$3ma1s$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="13058"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.11.0 To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:RhdZpy9E8M5gwbnhuDRZN3CptJk= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id E45B122986F; Sat, 31 Aug 2024 16:36:27 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC3E222978C for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Sat, 31 Aug 2024 16:36:25 -0400 (EDT) id C16585DC29; Sat, 31 Aug 2024 20:36:31 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay-1.kamens.us (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E97A5DC26 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Sat, 31 Aug 2024 20:36:31 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A77C5F836 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Sat, 31 Aug 2024 20:36:23 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/0A77C5F836; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=x.org id 98C8BDC01A9; Sat, 31 Aug 2024 22:36:23 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2024 22:36:23 +0200 (CEST) Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vaoi4q$3ma1s$1@dont-email.me> X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX191T7nlM620VSOiAQfxMU7ye0iSuD3qvXH7G5x/iMsjDQ== HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NICE_REPLY_A, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE,URIBL_BLOCKED,URIBL_SBL_A, URI_DOTEDU autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 14789 On 8/28/24 18:16, RonO wrote: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillip_E._Johnson > > Earlier this month I noted that someone had remove the Johnson > capitulation quote from the Johnson wiki. There seems to be no valid > reason for removing the quote, and Athel claimed that he had emailed the > editor that made the edit to see what was going on. I guess nothing has > come of the request. > > The quote actually brings closure to the entire wiki entry of which a > major part is about Johnson's participation in the intelligent design > creationist scam. > > There is absolutely no doubt that Phillip Johnson wanted ID taught in > the public schools. He had made it part of his Wedge strategy. It was > one of the 5 years goals listed in the Wedge document, but 20/20 > hindsight indicates that Johnson never fully understood the science, and > did not understand that the ID perps never had any legitimate ID science > worth teaching in the public schools. > > The Phillip Johnson wiki has the claim that Johnson did not understand > scientific reasoning "In 1993 the ASA's Perspectives on Science and > Christian Faith published a review of Darwin on Trial by Nancey Murphy, > an associate professor of Christian philosophy at Fuller Theological > Seminary, who described Johnson's arguments as "dogmatic and > unconvincing", primarily because "he does not adequately understand > scientific reasoning."" Johnson had been convinced by the other ID > perps that the ID science existed, and could be taught in the public > schools. > > Johnson got others involved in the ID scam. Most notably then Senator > Santorum. Johnson supposedly wrote the draft of the IDiotic "amendment" > to the no child left behind legislation that was submitted by Santorum > and ended up in the appendix of that legislation. Both Santorum and > Johnson claimed that the inclusion of the "amendment" supported teaching > intelligent design in the public schools. > > By 2002 most of the other ID perps at the Discovery Institute likely > understood that they had nothing worth teaching as ID science in the > public schools, so when Ohio hit the fan and the ID perps were invited > to give their dog and pony show to the Ohio State School board the ID > perps decided to start running a bait and switch scam where they would > just use ID as bait, but only give the rubes an obfuscation and denial > swtich scam that the ID perps would tell the creationist rubes had > nothing to do with ID. It does not look like the ID perps bothered to > inform Santorum and Johnson of what they planned to do because both > Johnson and Santorum came out in support of teaching ID in the public > schools in Ohio before the bait and switch went down. > > Johnson put up the Santorum editorial on his ARN blog as the bait and > switch was going down in Ohio. There is no reason why Johnson would > hang Santorum, out to dry like that if he knew that the bait and switch > scam was going to start to go down, and no reason for Santorum to have > written the opinion piece if he knew that the bait and switch was going > down. > > https://www.arn.org/docs/ohio/washtimes_santorum031402.htm > > QUOTE: > "I hate your opinions, but I would die to defend your right to express > them." This famous quote by the 18th-century philosopher Voltaire > applies to the debate currently raging in Ohio. The Board of Education > is discussing whether to include alternate theories of evolution in the > classroom. Some board members however, are opposed to Voltaire's defense > of rational inquiry and intellectual tolerance. They are seeking to > prohibit different theories other than Darwinism, from being taught to > students. This threatens freedom of thought and academic excellence. > > Today, the Board of Education will discuss a proposal to insert > "intelligent design" alongside evolution in the state's new teaching > standards. > END QUOTE: > > QUOTE: > At the beginning of the year, President Bush signed into law the "No > Child Left Behind" bill. The new law includes a science education > provision where Congress states that "where topics are taught that may > generate controversy (such as biological evolution), the curriculum > should help students to understand the full range of scientific views > that exist." If the Education Board of Ohio does not include intelligent > design in the new teaching standards, many students will be denied a > first-rate science education. Many will be left behind. > > Rick Santorum is a Republican member of the United States Senate from > Pennsylvania. > > © 2002 News World Communications. All rights reserved. International > copyright secured. > File Date: 3.14.02 > END QUOTE: > > So neither Santorum nor Johnson likely knew of the strategy shift for > the ID scam. After Ohio 2002 the ID perps only used the teach ID scam > as bait, and never delivered any ID science to any creationist rubes > that wanted to teach it. > > You could still download the teach ID scam booklet from a Discovery > Institute web site when Dover hit the fan, but the bait and switch had > gone down in every case for the previous 3 years after Ohio. > > https://web.archive.org/web/20040921022045/http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&id=58 > > QUOTE: > 9. Conclusion > Local school boards and state education officials are frequently > pressured to avoid teaching the controversy regarding biological > origins. Indeed, many groups, such as the National Academy of Sciences, > go so far as to deny the existence of any genuine scientific controversy > about the issue.(162) Nevertheless, teachers should be reassured that > they have the right to expose their students to the problems as well as > the appeal of Darwinian theory. Moreover, as the previous discussion > demonstrates, school boards have the authority to permit, and even > encourage, teaching about design theory as an alternative to Darwinian > evolution--and this includes the use of textbooks such as Of Pandas and > People that present evidence for the theory of intelligent design. > > The controlling legal authority, the Supreme Court's decision in > Edwards v. Aguillard, explicitly permits the inclusion of alternatives > to Darwinian evolution so long as those alternatives are based on > scientific evidence and not motivated by strictly religious concerns. > Since design theory is based on scientific evidence rather than > religious assumptions, it clearly meets this test. Including discussions > of design in the science curriculum thus serves an important goal of > making education inclusive, rather than exclusionary. In addition, it > provides students with an important demonstration of the best way for > them as future scientists and citizens to resolve scientific > controversies--by a careful and fair-minded examination of the evidence. > END QUOTE: > > For some reason even though the bait and switch had gone down in every > instance for 3 years both Johnson and then Senator Santorum supported > the Dover School boards efforts to teach ID in the Dover public schools > in 2005. Santorum was eventually clued in and had to flip flop on the > issue during his campaign for reelection. As sad as it may seem some of > his republican opponents in the primary questioned his religious > convictions due changing his mind about teaching intelligent design in > the Pennsylvania public schools. Santorum was not reelected, and when > he ran for president he no longer claimed to support intelligent design, > but instead claimed to support creationism. It would take some willful > ignorance of what the ID perps were doing by running the bait and > switch, but the ID perps still called the switch scam "Teach the > Controversy" and if you look at the old propaganda produced by the > Discovery Institute teaching ID was part of the controversy that they > wanted to teach. You can see ID included in the conclusion of the teach > ID booklet quoted above that the ID perps used to give out with the > video that they had produced as one of the goals listed in the Wedge > document. > > I recall an interview at the Federal courthouse where Johnson claimed > that ID would prevail and be taught in the Dover public schools. Johnson > sat in the courtroom everyday of testimony, and changed his mind. > ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========