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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!news.szaf.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Fossil record gaps not a major issue Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2024 19:33:56 -0400 Organization: Eek Lines: 65 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <vb0994$16q4d$1@dont-email.me> References: <var4q2$6gbg$1@dont-email.me> <vasiau$ggel$2@dont-email.me> Reply-To: jtem01@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="17394"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:V9AENHCmV1XKJd+gqsy+z5Ubp4k= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id A5DBB22986F; Sat, 31 Aug 2024 19:34:02 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C52F22978C for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Sat, 31 Aug 2024 19:34:00 -0400 (EDT) id E949A872AC; Sat, 31 Aug 2024 19:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay.zaccari.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC30B7FC26 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Sat, 31 Aug 2024 19:34:06 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 mod-relay.zaccari.net BC30B7FC26 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E70A5F836 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Sat, 31 Aug 2024 23:34:04 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/1E70A5F836; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id 71C49DC01A9; Sun, 1 Sep 2024 01:33:57 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2024 01:33:57 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1/1OwvGhEERRSER5aMZpvC+maYy0Wj0qOw= In-Reply-To: <vasiau$ggel$2@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD,FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 4569 RonO wrote: > Pro Plyd wrote: >> >> https://phys.org/news/2024-08-darwin-unjustified-fossil-gaps-major.html >> >> Darwin's fear was unjustified: Study suggests >> fossil record gaps not a major issue They're expected, would be shocking for them to not exist but they are an issue... "Major?" Why not. There's not exactly a lot of issues! Dating is always one. People are forever arguing over dating. What other issues are there? > SNIP: > > The simulation described in the paper is not realistic and likely > doesn't apply to terrestrial lifeforms. Just look at climate models aka simulations? Nothing has got it right in 50 years! There was a claim not to long ago that some software from the 90s got everything right, only problem was that nobody is saying, "Hey! Let's use this! It's accurate, unlike everything else, so let's use this software!" Yeah, sometime (often) the absence of evidence IS the evidence of absence! Sometimes. > Their conclusions likely are > not valid. Erosion is not the main reason that there are gaps in the > fossil record. True. But when you're getting into VERY old fossils it's a major issue. It's even an issue for the Cambrian! I know it was a long time before they discovered more fossil bearing deposits THAT old.. > You need deposition to occur in order for the fossils to > be created, and deposition has to occur in the correct soils. Water is the best. There's far more marine fossils than land animals. > The > greatest species diversity occurs in equatorial rain forests, but those > forest soils dissolve bone. But as long as they have lakes, rivers... Oo! River deltas are great at preservation... though we're talking quantity not quality. They suck at quality. You never find an articulated skeleton. You're lucky it individual bones aren't broken! -- https://jtem.tumblr.com/tagged/The%20Book%20of%20JTEM/page/5