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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: x <x@x.org> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Aliens. The more likely scenario Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2024 16:07:17 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 64 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <vbddj5$gtdd$2@dont-email.me> References: <vbd0cr$eoa6$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="2982"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.11.0 To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:XuzV29/xpHs1OXHMHEwpFjrSGyw= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 6B78422986F; Thu, 05 Sep 2024 19:07:17 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 475F022978C for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Thu, 05 Sep 2024 19:07:15 -0400 (EDT) id 5C2895DC2C; Thu, 5 Sep 2024 23:07:24 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay-1.kamens.us (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A8985DC26 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Thu, 5 Sep 2024 23:07:24 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C456A5F837 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Thu, 5 Sep 2024 23:07:18 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/C456A5F837; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=x.org id 3E997DC01A9; Fri, 6 Sep 2024 01:07:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2024 01:07:18 +0200 (CEST) Content-Language: en-US X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX18vCoPdIzqGBE0LXohdgkAuma3607mJuEi3iv0FMzCWqQ== In-Reply-To: <vbd0cr$eoa6$2@dont-email.me> HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NICE_REPLY_A,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 4790 On 9/5/24 12:22, JTEM wrote: > > If civilizations are out there, if they exist in appreciable > numbers even if not density... > > And if any variant of the Panspermia is true, they have to > be. That's just the way it is. Assume some flavor of > Panspermia is true and that makes life abundant, ubiquitous. > And if life is ubiquitous than civilization must be popping > up in appreciable numbers, even if not an appreciable > density... > > So if civilizations are out there, they could start detecting > life on earth, oh, somewhere north of 2 billion years ago. > > Many would argue more than a billion years before that, but > I like that number. Nice and round, that, and it coincides > with the Great Oxidation Event, so we know life was pretty > abundant at that time. Yeah, let's go with 2 billion years... > > So 2 billion years. That's 2,000 million years. At one probe > (ship?) sent towards us every million years, there's been > THOUSANDS sent to our solar system. Thousands. > > There's been roughly 65 since the dinosaurs went extinct, and > two to three just since the genus Homo arose... > > Want to look for aliens? Look here. > > "The earth is to geologically active. Even if we knew the > exact spot one landed (crashed) 80 million years ago, that > spot may not still exist." > > True. > > So maybe the best place to look would be out in our solar > system, not on the surface of the earth... > > LANDING a probe on the surface makes things infinitely > tougher! Gravity. Volcanic activity. Oceans. Climate. Etc. > > Now you've got to start building more & more intricate > scenarios, more specific, detailed, and vastly more difficult > to test. So, just look in space. Look to our solar system. > > DIGITAL CLOCK > > If you found a small chunk of a digital clock you very likely > would be unable to guess what it was, what it came from. But > you certainly would know that it's man made. > > The same would be true of alien tech. > > An old probe getting battered out in the solar system for > millions of years may be reduced to fragments. But a fragment > is all we need. A fragment all by itself tell us, "We are > not alone." So was that a fossilized cylindrical battery, or a jellyfish? I am thinking that was 'In Search Of' with Leonard Nimoy.