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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: This is how I overturn the Tarski Undefinability theorem Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 10:54:06 +0300 Organization: - Lines: 80 Message-ID: <vb3quu$1t290$1@dont-email.me> References: <vavohi$140m1$1@dont-email.me> <vb1o2v$1gbmn$1@dont-email.me> <vb1r8k$1g7lq$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2024 09:54:06 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="4ae33bef920975be84e44326db049334"; logging-data="2001184"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19kZdxANnOVo3BCLkGc+vrT" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:cWgr/Vj0YtKV8jLAn43VtkJLu3c= Bytes: 3835 On 2024-09-01 13:47:00 +0000, olcott said: > On 9/1/2024 7:52 AM, Mikko wrote: >> On 2024-08-31 18:48:18 +0000, olcott said: >> >>> *This is how I overturn the Tarski Undefinability theorem* >>> An analytic expression of language is any expression of formal or >>> natural language that can be proven true or false entirely on the basis >>> of a connection to its semantic meaning in this same language. >>> >>> This connection must be through a sequence of truth preserving >>> operations from expression x of language L to meaning M in L. A lack of >>> such connection from x or ~x in L is construed as x is not a truth >>> bearer in L. >>> >>> Tarski's Liar Paradox from page 248 >>> It would then be possible to reconstruct the antinomy of the liar >>> in the metalanguage, by forming in the language itself a sentence >>> x such that the sentence of the metalanguage which is correlated >>> with x asserts that x is not a true sentence. >>> https://liarparadox.org/Tarski_247_248.pdf >>> >>> Formalized as: >>> x ∉ True if and only if p >>> where the symbol 'p' represents the whole sentence x >>> https://liarparadox.org/Tarski_275_276.pdf >>> >>> *Formalized as Prolog* >>> ?- LP = not(true(LP)). >>> LP = not(true(LP)). >> >> According to Prolog semantics "false" would also be a correct >> response. >> >>> ?- unify_with_occurs_check(LP, not(true(LP))). >>> false. >> >> To the extend Prolog formalizes anything, that only formalizes >> the condept of self-reference. I does not say anything about >> int. >> >>> When formalized as Prolog unify_with_occurs_check() >>> detects a cycle in the directed graph of the evaluation >>> sequence proving the LP is not a truth bearer. >> >> Prolog does not say anything about truth-bearers. >> > > It may seem that way if you have no idea what > (a) a directed is > (b) what cycles in a directed graph are > (c) What an evaluation sequence is More relevanto would be what a "truth-maker" is. Anyway, it seems that Prolog does not say anything about truth-bearers because Prolog does not say anything about truth-bearers. > If you do know these things then Prolog proved that LP > has no truth-maker and thus cannot be a truth-bearer. Prolog does not prove anythng about truth bearers. Certain kind of Prolog programs can be regarded as proofs in a weak formal system but that does not include those that end with "false". Even then the proof is not a proof about anything, just a formal proof. >>> The purpose of this work was to show that algorithmic >>> undecidability is a misconception providing more details >>> than Wittgenstein's rebuttal of Gödel. >> >> Which it didn't show. > > I showed it to everyone knowing (a)(b)(c) No, you did not. -- Mikko