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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: The problem of relativistic synchronisation Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 14:42:46 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 68 Message-ID: <vb4bpp$2rgsl$1@dont-email.me> References: <m_uze6jFLkrMPuR4XaNmQntFPLY@jntp> <ljfrjfF3hr1U1@mid.individual.net> <IqoVDZIyxVoLReItZ3sD4aYyQ64@jntp> <vavtbs$14qma$1@dont-email.me> <pheofpwVPcOT3RCuNcESEqS47x0@jntp> <vb1dpe$1evqr$1@dont-email.me> <NVcS6uZDkN8UGhkdIwwkCs4R7x8@jntp> <vb1mk4$1g551$1@dont-email.me> <siZVeXFhx1b-RHNvgyKaFJEz2Sc@jntp> <vb28vm$1i5d6$2@dont-email.me> <2VJMHmUL3oTjzHTxkbHeeVgwp1A@jntp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2024 14:41:29 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="168013b3387f98055928f5d7e792bdb1"; logging-data="2999189"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+hGRvaUfOdYFkVq5k50fsz" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:9aXvZ4bOpXHT7n7qGzlJheaco9k= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <2VJMHmUL3oTjzHTxkbHeeVgwp1A@jntp> Bytes: 3540 Den 01.09.2024 22:29, skrev Richard Hachel: > OK, Paul. > > So we're going to continue, because it's very important. OK. Let's play. https://paulba.no/pdf/Mutual_time_dilation.pdf c ≈ 3e8 m/s d = 3e8 m v = 0.8c tA(e1) = 0 tA'(e1)= 0 tA(e2) = (d/v)⋅√(1−v²/c²) ≈ 0.75 seconds. > > A sees the segment AB coming towards him, and when A' crosses A, which > is event e1, A starts his watch. tA(e1)=0 > > Then A observes that B' is approaching him at high speed, and stops his > watch when B crosses him, this is event e2, and we note tA(e2)=0.75. > > There is an interval of 0.75 seconds between e1 and e2. > > For 0.75 seconds, B' rushes toward A. > > 1. At what apparent (i.e. APPARENT) speed does A apprehend B' rushing > toward him? I have no idea of what your "apparent speed" is, and I don't care. I can however tell you what A will _measure_ the speed of B' relative to A will be. A knows that his clock shows 0 at e1, when B' is at the position x = (-3e8m + (v/c²)⋅0)/√(1−v²/c²) = -3e8m/√(1−v²/c²) A knows that his clock shows 0.75 seconds when B' is at the position x = 0. So B' has moved the distance 3e8m/√(1−v²/c²) in 0.75 s v = (3e8m/0.75s)/√(1−v²/c²) v = 3e8m/√((0.75s)²+(3e8m)²/(3e8m/s)²) = 240000000 m/s = 0.8c > > 2. What is the apparent distance traveled by B' during the interval > noted by the watch? The distance B' has travelled in the rest frame of A is shown above. d' = 3e8m/√(1−v²/c²) = 500000000 m It is nothing 'apparent' about this distance. Now that I have answered your questions, you can possibly answer mine: When the train leaves Nantes, you see the watch on the railway station showing 8:32, and you start your stop watch. When you arrive in Berlin, you see the watch on the railway station showing 20:41. You stop your stop watch which show that the duration of the journey was 12h 9m. The question: ------------- Why is the difference between the Berlin clock at arrival and the Nantes clock at departure equal to the duration of your journey, 20:41 - 8:32 = 12h 9m ? -- Paul https://paulba.no/