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From: Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com>
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Subject: Re: What "forms" of 2FA is Apple requiring for all new Apple IDs?
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:34:42 -0400
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On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 16:22:43 -0700, Alan wrote:

> On 2024-09-02 15:07, Isaac Montara wrote:
>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 11:44:22 -0700, Alan wrote:
>> 
>>>>> What "forms" of 2FA is Apple requiring for all new Apple IDs?
>>>>>
>>>>> The fact is of all common consumer operating systems, as of February 
>>>>> 2023,
>>>>> only Apple *requires* you to completely lose your privacy by forcing 
>>>>> you to
>>>>> use 2FA (which, for most people, is accomplished by their personal 
>>>>> phone).
>>>>>
>>>>> Obviously I'm aghast that only Apple completely ignores any request for
>>>>> privacy, but I can't fight it and still log into my Apple ID on my 
>>>>> iPads.
>>>>>
>>>>> While I gave Apple my personal very private cell phone number, 
>>>>> because I
>>>>> was forced to do it in order to create the new Apple ID, my question 
>>>>> here
>>>>> is how can we avoid giving Apple our privacy for the rest of our lives?
>>>>>
>>>>> What other forms of 2FA can we give Apple to log into new Apple 
>>>>> accounts?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not entirely sure, but it seems you can get a different trusted 
>>>> device.
>>>>
>>>> https://support.apple.com/en-us/102660
>>>>
>>>> If you don't want to give out your personal phone number maybe a Google
>>>> Voice number would work. Use a Google solution to authenticate with 
>>>> Apple!
>>>>
>>>
>>> BTW, for your edification on Arlen's claim that this "only Apple":
>>>
>>> 'Can I turn 2-Step Verification off?
>>> Currently, you can turn off 2-Step Verification after it's turned on 
>>> automatically, but signing in with just a password makes your account 
>>> much less secure.
>>>
>>> Soon, 2-Step Verification will be required for most Google Accounts.'
>>>
>>> <https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/10956730?hl=en#zippy=%2Ccan-i-turn--step-verification-off>
>> 
>> Read what the link says next time before you post that kind of garbage.
>> A Google Account is not needed to use Android or Windows or Linux.
>> 
>> Google controls its operating system just as Apple controls its OS.
>> And Google is not requiring MFV for use of their Android operating system.
> 
> I'm sure that's a nicety that all the ordinary consumers who set up 
> Android phones are completely aware of...

What you posted was garbage which you didn't even read before posting it.

There's a SKIP button to skip the optional account setup on every operating
system - whether it's Apple's or Google's or Microsoft's operating systems.

Google & Microsoft are not requiring MFV for those who want to use their OS
- so tapping that SKIP button still allows users to install apps on it.

Apple is requiring compulsory MFV for all new Apple ID accounts which means
Apple is the only operating system maker who is requiring compulsory MFV.

The problem with Apple's compulsory MFV is, unlike the other operating
systems, you can't do much with Apple's systems without creating an Apple
account on the device (which Apple now requires compulsory MFV to do).