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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.killfile.org!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: New SETI search Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2024 01:58:46 -0400 Organization: Eek Lines: 35 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <vb68im$37m8l$6@dont-email.me> References: <vaj062$2kr3d$1@dont-email.me> <menqcj1270ta8rjtmasodqi5nkier8rnhl@4ax.com> <vb5odm$31ra3$1@dont-email.me> Reply-To: jtem01@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="2770"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:kKLFcoaBTCtgVtiH9I+IgQSskaA= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 8F1EF22986F; Tue, 03 Sep 2024 01:58:44 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6236D22978C for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Tue, 03 Sep 2024 01:58:42 -0400 (EDT) id BF3175DC29; Tue, 3 Sep 2024 05:58:49 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay-1.kamens.us (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D83F5DC26 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Tue, 3 Sep 2024 05:58:49 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7015C5F863 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Tue, 3 Sep 2024 05:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/7015C5F863; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id 19141DC01A9; Tue, 3 Sep 2024 07:58:47 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2024 07:58:46 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1+BYrYmLiWLUD2QruAjinGN5psEKJCWyjE= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vb5odm$31ra3$1@dont-email.me> FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD,FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 4147 Mark Isaak wrote: > If I had vast technological resources and wanted to send an "I'm here" > signal to unknown aliens over potentially vast distances, I wouldn't > generate light. That would take way too much energy, especially if it > was broadcast widely. Instead, I would rig up some opaque sheets and set > them orbiting around a star, with gaps in places so that anyone watching > from the plane of orbit would see a dit-dah message spelled out > repeating every 6 (of our) months or so. It would work only on a fairly > narrow plane, but at least it's better than a laser pointed at a single > target. Not necessarily. No. We've only been in the Exoplanet game for maybe 35 years or so, and already we have technology that can detect potential biosignatures out to hundreds of light years away. If a civilization really is as advanced as it posited here then, either thanks to time or technologies we can yet imagine, they wouldn't be sending their signals out to random planets but the planets most likely to support life! Put short: Any message would be optimized for success. > Is SETI set up to look for anything like that? SETI is not in the "Finding aliens" business, and they certainly would never tell you if they did. We know this because every time they did find a juicy signal THAT WE KNOW OF they kept it secret. The public only ever found out about them AFTER they were judged innocuous. -- https://jtem.tumblr.com/tagged/The%20Book%20of%20JTEM/page/5