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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Computer architects leaving Intel... Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2024 03:47:21 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 38 Message-ID: <vb6ies$39gap$1@dont-email.me> References: <vajo7i$2s028$1@dont-email.me> <memo.20240827205925.19028i@jgd.cix.co.uk> <valki8$35fk2$1@dont-email.me> <2644ef96e12b369c5fce9231bfc8030d@www.novabbs.org> <vam5qo$3bb7o$1@dont-email.me> <2f1a154a34f72709b0a23ac8e750b02b@www.novabbs.org> <vaoqcf$3r1u3$1@dont-email.me> <2366e332022b8bc8bf2cae9dae663eeb@www.novabbs.org> <vaqgtl$3526$1@dont-email.me> <d0539090a239743b48e51ec4ae7ecffd@www.novabbs.org> <vathse$m1vn$1@dont-email.me> <67b047dcb5e46380694b8cddaf1658bb@www.novabbs.org> <vb11t3$1dehl$1@dont-email.me> <vb2lt5$1krug$1@dont-email.me> <72812b932668bb11eab784134915ff4b@www.novabbs.org> <vb53s9$2v9pv$1@dont-email.me> <8535087e15a1269e26d1537475619153@www.novabbs.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2024 10:47:25 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="783eb7dce22881ed906254b1b1b58046"; logging-data="3457369"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+VxBk8aYv/xPF2NTkVKtAqVm6xDBvUrKU=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:QbHb1TLxY/odYz1x5192HWpYQwE= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <8535087e15a1269e26d1537475619153@www.novabbs.org> Bytes: 2764 On 9/2/2024 8:47 PM, MitchAlsup1 wrote: > On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:32:23 +0000, BGB wrote: > >> On 9/1/2024 6:32 PM, MitchAlsup1 wrote: >>> >>> More modern machines have RND nobody will ever have REM. >> >> Which is probably not a lot, as off-hand I am not aware of many ISA's >> that have floor/ceil/round in the ISA itself, rather than doing it via >> conversion to an integer type. > > VAX has round float* to float* 1978..... So, there is this, and FRNDINT in x87. Looks like there is ROUNDPS and ROUNDPD in SSE4.1, ... I missed these as apparently my copies of the Intel docs were too old (only covering SSE2). Looks like VRINT in ARMv8. So, it seems I can find more examples than I thought... I guess it is a question how often these are needed. As described in ARM's VRINT, it could allow doing floor() or ceil() in a single instruction. Not sure how much it would save as I don't expect floor/ceil to be common enough to justify this. Could almost add this if needed, possibly as a hack to the usual Float->Int conversion process.