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From: Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: Phillip Johnson wiki
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2024 11:18:42 +0200
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On 2024-08-30 07:50:27 +0000, Athel Cornish-Bowden said:

> On 2024-08-30 02:39:01 +0000, Chris Thompson said:
> 
>> RonO wrote:
>>> On 8/29/2024 2:26 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>> On 2024-08-29 01:16:08 +0000, RonO said:
>>>> 
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillip_E._Johnson
>>>>> 
>>>>> Earlier this month I noted that someone had remove the Johnson 
>>>>> capitulation quote from the Johnson wiki.  There seems to be no valid 
>>>>> reason for removing the quote, and Athel claimed that he had emailed 
>>>>> the editor that made the edit to see what was going on.  I guess 
>>>>> nothing has come of the request.
>>>> 
>>>> No. I had a back-and-forth discussion with the editor in question, 
>>>> mainly consisting of me suggesting a wording that he would accept and 
>>>> refrain from editing it back to what it was. He objected to all of 
>>>> these, except the last, which he hasn't replied to. I thought I'd leave 
>>>> it a month and then fix it.
>>> 
>>> If you do not get this guys buy in, can he just remove it again?  What 
>>> were his reasons for removing a perfectly valid quote, and Johnson's 
>>> admission about the ID scam when Johnson never retracted what he had 
>>> said.
>>> 
>>> In the previous thread I note other people using the quote including 
>>> Ken Miller in a public presentation, and I do not recall any blow back 
>>> from Johnson.
>>> 
>> 
>> It's instructive to look at Laurence Moran's attempts to correct 
>> Wikipedia on the subject of junk DNA. A long-term editor/contributor 
>> (who is not a biologist/chemist/biochemist) to Wikipedia put up a ream 
>> of garbage on the topic and Larry rewrote it. The editor deleted 
>> Moran's work and put his own back up. They went around a few times but 
>> of course Larry's expertise meant nothing and the buffoon's seniority 
>> at Wikipedia meant everything.
>> 
>> If the person who changed the Johnson page is someone with an ax to 
>> grind and has been at Wikipedia for any length of time, it's probably 
>> useless to try to present anything (s)he doesn't like.
> 
> In his User Page, GuardianH describes himself as follows:
> 
> "I'm an American high school student from Massachusetts with a passion 
> in history, philosophy, and law along with an additional interest 
> pertaining to sociology and higher education. I write and edit 
> primarily on topics concerning constitutional law and legal 
> scholarship."
> 
> No obvious expertise in Intelligent Design, therefore, but he has been 
> a very active editor, with more than 40000 contributions to Wikipedia. 
> I'm not sure he has an axe to grind, but he's just stuck his heels in.

I have found one suitable secondary source that refers to Johnson's retreat:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/why-intelligent-design-fails

However, it would e nice to have two. It surely must have been 
mentioned in reputable newpapers: New York Times, Washington Post, 
Chicago Tribune, San Francisco Chronicle, etc., but I haven't found 
anything. Any suggestions? Maybe something in Nature or Science?


-- 
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly 
in England until 1987.