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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> Newsgroups: sci.lang Subject: Re: Somewhere came from Somewheres ? ---- unawares, amongst, betwixt Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2024 09:45:07 +1200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 80 Message-ID: <vb801e$3g4or$1@dont-email.me> References: <vb7un7$3fr4o$1@dont-email.me> Reply-To: r.clark@auckland.ac.nz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2024 23:45:19 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="583e97b8d1b7d79287ab6cc5dfceb473"; logging-data="3674907"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+Xs/1NK25E9ThEriOmtdDHvj0clJ2EVDM=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 Cancel-Lock: sha1:T9CR3BCx5pc3YoDI9tLZsV2wyf8= In-Reply-To: <vb7un7$3fr4o$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-GB Bytes: 3428 On 4/09/2024 9:22 a.m., HenHanna wrote: > > >>> > Does the dropping of the final S go back to Greek or Hebrew? > > Crossposted to sci.lang, where people might know the answer. > Is there a natural tendency for languages to lose final > syllables or final consonants? <<< > > > > ----------- Why is this thread named [Somewheres] ? > > is there a suggestion that ... > Somewhere came from Somewheres ? --- (Dropped S) > > i think Not ! > > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/somewheres > > > i thnk the -s in Somewheres is old, and the same as in > > Forwards > Backwards > > Outwards > Inwards > Upwards > Downwards > Homewards > > Sideways > > Besides ? > > Unawares ? > > > forward + -s → forwards > downward + -s → downwards > alway + -s → always > sometime + -s → sometimes > betime + -s → betimes > while + -s → whiles > betide + -s → betides > toward + -s → towards > beside + -s → besides > evening + -s → evenings > unaware + -s → unawares > > > among + -st → amongst > mid + -st → midst > while + -st → whilst > > betwixt > > against > alongst > amongst > beknownst > midst > unbeknownst > whilst > whomst > You (whoever "you" are) are right. I pointed this out a couple of days ago, referring to what I call "floating adverbial -s". You may have missed it as a result of your incessant cross-posting. (Thunderbird won't let me cross-post.) All the words above are (I think) examples of it. (Sometimes with extra -t.) IIRC, Peter Moylan originally asked about the form "besides", which was new to him. Some time later, he mentioned that in choral singing, the sound of [s] is disliked, and singers are instructed to mute or even suppress it. This led to general discussion of loss or weakening of [s] and other sounds in languages. But I don't think anyone actually claimed that "somewheres" became "somewhere" in this way. If they did, they were wrong.