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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Python <python@invalid.org> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Yes, t'=t in GPS. Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2024 14:04:00 +0200 Organization: CCCP Lines: 43 Message-ID: <vb9ibg$3qjfp$1@dont-email.me> References: <17f1fbbab85d22f9$723822$546728$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2024 14:04:01 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f8d71566ceadf1b6fe05dd5e1564538d"; logging-data="4017657"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/NnTuu+PXQ/9oUuVNDH/jN" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:bKL+Zzl8BEq15TNqPpxc95GIL98= In-Reply-To: <17f1fbbab85d22f9$723822$546728$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2440 Le 04/09/2024 à 10:01, Maciej Wozniak a écrit : > At least if by t, t' we mean the clock > readings. This is utterly meaningless. Any clocks, except if stopped, has a lot of readings. It actually changes all the time ! I hoped that "one of the greatest logicians Humanity ever had" would know that :-) What "t" means is that for a given event happening somewhere a clock being there marked a specific number. Same for "t'" except that this is another clock which is involved, usually moving at some known velocity wrt to the first one. The point is how the clocks has been engineered and synchronized beforehand? Sometimes there is not really a clock there, but a signal of some kind (wires, lights, whatever) is sent to a place collecting data. I expected that "a information engineer" would know that :-) At the end of the day it is strictly equivalent to have a clock there as the signal speed has to be known in advance and THAT knowledge comes from an experiment carrying two clocks. > Yes, the clocks were engineered. > > Yes, "what clocks indicate" was always > a matter of human engineering, Sure. And, when it comes to GPS, GR plays a crucial role in the way clocks are engineered. > not any > delusional song sang by the universe > to your bunch of idiots. I've read a lot of about clocks and SR, GR, etc. I've never encountered a paper or book mentioning such a song.