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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Brett <ggtgp@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Computer architects leaving Intel... Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2024 20:58:32 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 36 Message-ID: <vbahln$3vpif$1@dont-email.me> References: <2024Aug30.161204@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <memo.20240830164247.19028y@jgd.cix.co.uk> <vasruo$id3b$1@dont-email.me> <2024Aug30.195831@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <vat5ap$jthk$2@dont-email.me> <vaunhb$vckc$1@dont-email.me> <vautmu$vr5r$1@dont-email.me> <2024Aug31.170347@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <vavpnh$13tj0$2@dont-email.me> <vb00c2$150ia$1@dont-email.me> <505954890d8461c1f4082b1beecd453c@www.novabbs.org> <vb0kh2$12ukk$1@dont-email.me> <vb3smg$1ta6s$1@dont-email.me> <vb4q5o$12ukk$3@dont-email.me> <vb6a16$38aj5$1@dont-email.me> <jwv8qw8o7zg.fsf-monnier+comp.arch@gnu.org> <vb85a3$3gq7e$2@dont-email.me> <vbaf4s$3vcq1$1@dont-email.me> <e869564c7aec3d40d2ac8b5aa003cef4@www.novabbs.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2024 22:58:32 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="52660b53d8db5606ea919c2700602f9d"; logging-data="4187727"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/C87LsnoCaPj+sIRjO0yg6" User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPad) Cancel-Lock: sha1:HT/8bjksipazDyGfRS+JEKcDvo4= sha1:pkGmuFUTgOY4P5Fu5Wo7UbjVC4k= Bytes: 2930 MitchAlsup1 <mitchalsup@aol.com> wrote: > On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 20:15:24 +0000, Brett wrote: > >> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote: >>> On 03/09/2024 21:28, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>>>> My impression - based on hearsay for Rust as I have no experience - is >>>>> that >>>>> the key point of Rust is memory "safety". I use scare-quotes here, >>>>> since it >>>>> is simply about correct use of dynamic memory and buffers. >>>>> >>>>> It is entirely possible to have correct use of memory in C, >>>> >>>> If you look at the evolution of programming languages, "higher-level" >>>> doesn't mean "you can do more stuff". On the contrary, making >>>> a language "higher-level" means deciding what it is we want to make >>>> harder or even impossible. >>>> >>> >>> Agreed. >>> >>> I've heard it said that the power of a programming language comes not >>> from what you can do with the language, but from what you cannot do. >> >> Wrong, the last version of Swift added all the garbage programming >> concepts >> that one should avoid. >> >> You have to give people the tools to do anything. > > It is impossible to create a computer programming language where > the programmer cannot shoot himself in the foot. https://www-users.york.ac.uk/~ss44/joke/foot.htm