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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!news.szaf.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: New SETI search Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2024 22:21:30 -0400 Organization: Eek Lines: 36 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <vbb4ja$5uia$2@dont-email.me> References: <vaj062$2kr3d$1@dont-email.me> <menqcj1270ta8rjtmasodqi5nkier8rnhl@4ax.com> <vb5odm$31ra3$1@dont-email.me> <vb9lr3$3rhbc$1@dont-email.me> Reply-To: jtem01@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="69245"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:uNAu5vFXXdkaURycENF4Pf6RwgA= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 9753D22986F; Wed, 04 Sep 2024 22:21:28 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8060B22978C for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Wed, 04 Sep 2024 22:21:26 -0400 (EDT) id 288395DC2C; Thu, 5 Sep 2024 02:21:35 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay-1.kamens.us (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05FCF5DC26 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Thu, 5 Sep 2024 02:21:34 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CBE845F837 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Thu, 5 Sep 2024 02:21:31 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/CBE845F837; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id 46A48DC01A9; Thu, 5 Sep 2024 04:21:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2024 04:21:31 +0200 (CEST) Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vb9lr3$3rhbc$1@dont-email.me> X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19gA9tG4DHeL3TZi0WcSX/Dq3b7xvyCJMk= FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD,FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 3809 Ernest Major wrote: > There are people looking for (and finding) Dyson sphere candidates. And > in general variable star searches would turn up the arrangement you > describe. Of all the ideas floated around the Dyson Spheres have to be the dumbest. First off, if a civilization keeps growing then you're going to have to keep building... and building... and building... You could just colonize another star system or, now get this, control your population size! One of those two and you've rendered a Dyson Sphere impractical. Limit population size and you not only place a cap on energy needs but food. Shelter. Medicine. Water. Clothing. ANYTHING you can think of! Makes me speculate on the type of civilization, their earth analogs, this Dyson Sphere thing... The most likely civilization of a type that would undergo unchecked growth and hence the constant need for monumental building projects would likely resemble our insects. And that's frightening. "But..but..but I was watching Star Trek and they were nothing like that!" -- https://jtem.tumblr.com/tagged/The%20Book%20of%20JTEM/page/5