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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Defining a correct simulating halt decider Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2024 11:52:04 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 43 Message-ID: <vbcnjk$dr54$1@dont-email.me> References: <vb4plc$2tqeg$1@dont-email.me> <vb6o5t$3a95s$1@dont-email.me> <vb71a3$3b4ub$4@dont-email.me> <vbbmuc$8nbb$1@dont-email.me> <vbcbe4$bdtb$3@dont-email.me> <cb6a625f1737dafed130e2bdad14395d95566ba1@i2pn2.org> <vbcl61$d8p0$1@dont-email.me> <e097e72a4319eb72e8663d055aa54d69af610831@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2024 18:52:05 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="43b31a63184850aec0f50fc55161dc88"; logging-data="453796"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/c0NzC73OgXHpoRIZVGAQR" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:W76MEb08sPxcKNP4ObDL8tBaBYw= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <e097e72a4319eb72e8663d055aa54d69af610831@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 2809 On 9/5/2024 11:34 AM, joes wrote: > Am Thu, 05 Sep 2024 11:10:40 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 9/5/2024 10:57 AM, joes wrote: >>> Am Thu, 05 Sep 2024 08:24:20 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>> On 9/5/2024 2:34 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>> On 2024-09-03 13:00:50 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>> On 9/3/2024 5:25 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>> On 2024-09-02 16:38:03 +0000, olcott said: > >>>> Show the details of how DDD emulated by HHH reaches its own machine >>>> address 0000217f. >>> By HHH returning, which we are guaranteed from its definition as a >>> decider. >> How the F--- Does the emulated HHH return? > I don’t know, you claim it’s a decider! > You KEEP TRYING TO CHEAT by erasing the context !!! _DDD() [00002172] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping [00002173] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD) [0000217f] 83c404 add esp,+04 [00002182] 5d pop ebp [00002183] c3 ret Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183] 00002172, 00002173, 00002175, 0000217a calls HHH(DDD) then 00002172, 00002173, 00002175, 0000217a calls HHH(DDD)... DDD emulated by HHH CANNOT POSSIBLY reach its own machine address 0000217f. The directly executed HHH correctly determines that its emulated DDD must be aborted because DDD keeps *THE EMULATED HHH* stuck in recursive emulation. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer