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From: Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: Timeline for Intelligent design wiki
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2024 11:18:40 +0200
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On 2024-09-06 03:23:11 +0000, RonO said:

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_intelligent_design#cite_note-84
> 
> This wiki includes the Johnson quote that was removed from the Johnson 
> wiki.  It is in the last section "After the Kitzmiller lawsuit".  The 
> reference includes 2 WayBack links, one of which was the one that was 
> used for the Johnson wiki.  The two original links are broken.

Thanks. I'll try to get back to this in a week or so (not immediately 
because I'm rather busy with something else).

It would still be nice to have a reference in a serious newspaper or 
journal. I found nothing in Science (maybe I used a wrong search 
string), and Nature won't let me search unless I sign up to something 
that I don't want to sign up to.
> 
> The wiki is deficient in several aspects.  Where the Johnson quote is 
> used it should be made clear that Johnson made that admission after 
> sitting in the Kitzmiller courtroom everyday of testimony.  Before he 
> did this he was claiming that ID would prevail as science and would be 
> taught in the Dover public schools.  That interview has to be archived 
> somewhere because Johnson said it outside of the courtroom just before 
> the start of the trial.
> 
> They quote his switch scam denial that the ID perps promoted when the 
> bait and switch failed and the Dover rubes tried to teach ID anyway in 
> 2004.  The ID perps were claiming that the Dover rubes should have bent 
> over for their teach the controversy obfuscation and denial switch 
> scam, but both Johnson and Santorum claimed to support teaching ID in 
> the Dover public schools.  The bait and switch went down on Santorum 
> and he flip-flopped during his reelection campaign, but Johnson went 
> into the courtroom claiming that ID was going to prevail.
> 
> The "Creation science school textbooks" section is also deficient.  
> When they refer to the 1981 Arkansas court case it should be noted that 
> the reason why the Creation Biology Textbook Supplements and Of Pandas 
> and People needed to be written was because during that trial it was 
> noted that there were no suitable creation science reference materials 
> that could be used to teach the junk in the public schools.  All the 
> available creation science literature was laced with Bible verses and 
> Biblical mythology.  This lack of suitable teaching materials was noted 
> by Judge Overton in his decision.  Kenyon and Thaxton needed to write a 
> creation science textbook without the Bible verses and Biblical 
> mythology.  As Johnson has been quoted ID is basically creationism 
> without reference to the Bible.  Of Pandas and People was just what 
> Johnson needed for his Wedge strategy.  It did not have the Bible in 
> the discussion.
> 
> The "Teach the controversy" section is also deficient.  It should be 
> made clear that teaching ID was an integral part of the "Teach the 
> Controversy" Wedge ploy.  The DeWolf et al., 1999 booklet cited in this 
> section clearly has teaching ID as part of the Teach the Controversy 
> Wedge ploy.  ID was only removed from Teach the Controversy literature 
> after the bait and switch started to go down in 2002, and the ID perps 
> started trying to force the rubes to go with only the obfuscation and 
> denial part of the Teach the Controversy Wedge ploy.  The ID perps kept 
> selling the Teach ID scam, but they would run the bait and switch on 
> any creationist rubes that believed them.  From my recollection the 
> "not required" to be taught excuse did not show up in their teach ID 
> scam junk until the bait and switch failed in Dover.
> 
> The section does correctly have the Ohio creationist rubes as being the 
> first to bend over for the switch scam in 2004, but they do not state 
> that they did it because they were the first creationist School board 
> to have the bait and switch scam run on them by the ID perps in 2002.  
> The Dec. 2002 lobbying efforts by the ID perps for pro Teach the 
> Controversy legislation is noted, but it is not noted that the ID perps 
> had run the bait and switch on the Ohio State board of education in 
> March 2002.  The State board wanted to teach ID, and had invited the ID 
> perps to give their dog and pony show, and instead of giving the rubes 
> any ID science to teach they ran the bait and switch and told the rubes 
> to go with the obfuscation and denial switch scam that they told the 
> rubes had nothing to do with ID even though it was obviously the same 
> obfuscation and denial junk that they had been using to support their 
> ID scam.  They can use Wells' report to demonstrate that the bait and 
> switch scam went down on the Ohio rubes.
> 
> https://web.archive.org/web/20110814145400/http://www.creationists.org/archived-obsolete-pages/2002-03-11-OSBE-wells.html 
> 
> 
> Everyone should know that before Ohio in 2002 the ID perps were running 
> the teach ID scam.  Teaching ID in the public schools was one of the 5 
> year goals listed in the Wedge document.  The ID Network had just 
> gotten started, and they got the teach ID scam from the ID perps at the 
> Discovery Institute.  Wells' admission in this report was his way of 
> signalling to other ID perps that the decision to start running a bait 
> and switch scam on the rubes had been made.  From then on any 
> creationist legislator or school board that wanted to teach the ID 
> science had the bait and switch run on them, and the Discovery 
> Institute would tell the rubes to go with the obfuscation and denial 
> switch scam instead.  By Dover the bait and switch had been going down 
> for over 2 years, and only Ohio had bent over for the switch scam.  The 
> Discovery Institute used to have a list of IDiotic creationist rubes 
> that they claimed were still considering the switch scam, but that list 
> disappeared after Dover.  By Dover there were probably over 20 examples 
> listed, but I recall only Louisiana and Texas eventually adopting 
> switch scam legislation (Louisiana in 2008) and the Texas state board 
> of education around 2010.  All the rest of the rubes eventually dropped 
> the issue instead of bend over for the switch scam. Neither Louisiana 
> nor Texas has developed a state wide program to do anything with the 
> switch scam, but both states tried to use the switch scam to teach ID 
> in their public schools in 2013 (Louisiana even called what they wanted 
> to teach intelligent design and creationism).  The bait and switch went 
> down on both states again, and the ID perps reminded both states that 
> the switch scam was supposed to have nothing to do with ID.  I do not 
> recall either state ever trying to implement their switch scam policies 
> after that.
> 
> They also have the wrong copy of the Ohio model lesson plan from 2004. 
> The original copy was available on the Ohio State board web site, but 
> they deleted it from the web site in 2007 when honesty and integrity 
> finally won out and they dropped the switch scam and discontinued that 
> policy.  What they have is a WayBack link to one of the early draft 
> copies from 2003.  This isn't such a bad thing because they can make 
> the Ohio board look even worse by pointing out that the initial drafts 
> of the model lesson plan had creationist web links and the Wellsian lie 
> about no moths on tree trunks.  The switch scam was supposed to have 
> nothing to do with ID, the board had to be reminded of that, and they 
> removed all of the web links that had included ARN and a couple of 
> creationist web sites.  They removed all mention of the ID perps.  Even 
> though they had obviously used Wells' book Icons of Evolution to write 
> the lesson plan they removed that from the references as well as 
> deleting the Wellsian lie.  The wiki can use these details to provide a 
> reason why the Ohio IDiots agreed to bend over for the switch scam 
> instead of teach ID.  They obviously still wanted to support their 
> religious beliefs.
> 
> Ron Okimoto


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in England until 1987.