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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2024 07:24:04 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 84 Message-ID: <vbes94$punj$12@dont-email.me> References: <vb0lj5$1c1kh$1@dont-email.me> <vb1o9g$1g7lq$1@dont-email.me> <vb3t1j$22k1l$1@dont-email.me> <vb4aq6$2r7ok$1@dont-email.me> <vb6p9v$3aebo$1@dont-email.me> <vb70k8$3b4ub$2@dont-email.me> <vbepsc$q8v6$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2024 14:24:04 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="be3ab62c57446c7ddf1fbbd69383ba43"; logging-data="850675"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/m+9SneJ0bmCHcTaCvEBxh" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:UaFdKr80el96PP4rDWrOFqp+jvk= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vbepsc$q8v6$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 4620 On 9/6/2024 6:43 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-09-03 12:49:11 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 9/3/2024 5:44 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2024-09-02 12:24:38 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> On 9/2/2024 3:29 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>> On 2024-09-01 12:56:16 +0000, olcott said: >>>>> >>>>>> On 8/31/2024 10:04 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>> *I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> knowledge is a justified true belief such that the >>>>>>> justification is sufficient reason to accept the >>>>>>> truth of the belief. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettier_problem >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> With a Justified true belief, in the Gettier cases >>>>>> the observer does not know enough to know its true >>>>>> yet it remains stipulated to be true. >>>>>> >>>>>> My original correction to this was a JTB such that the >>>>>> justification necessitates the truth of the belief. >>>>>> >>>>>> With a [Sufficiently Justified belief], it is stipulated >>>>>> that the observer does have a sufficient reason to accept >>>>>> the truth of the belief. >>>>> >>>>> What could be a sufficient reason? Every justification of every >>>>> belief involves other belifs that could be false. >>>> >>>> For the justification to be sufficient the consequence of >>>> the belief must be semantically entailed by its justification. >>> >>> If the belief is about something real then its justification >>> involves claims about something real. Nothing real is certain. >>> >> >> I don't think that is correct. >> My left hand exists right now even if it is >> a mere figment of my own imagination and five >> minutes ago never existed. > > As I don't know and can't (at least now) verify whether your left > hand exists or ever existed I can't regard that as a counter- > example. > >>> If the belief is not about something real then it is not clear >>> whether it is correct to call it "belief". >> >> *An axiomatic chain of inference based on this* >> By the theory of simple types I mean the doctrine which says >> that the objects of thought (or, in another interpretation, >> the symbolic expressions) are divided into types, namely: >> individuals, properties of individuals, relations between >> individuals, properties of such relations, etc. >> >> ...sentences of the form: " a has the property φ ", " b bears >> the relation R to c ", etc. are meaningless, if a, b, c, R, φ >> are not of types fitting together. >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_type_theory#G%C3%B6del_1944 > > The concepts of knowledge and truth are applicable to the knowledge > whether that is what certain peple meant when using those words. > Whether or to what extent that theory can be said to be true is > another problem. > The fundamental architectural overview of all Prolog implementations is the same True(x) means X is derived by applying Rules (AKA truth preserving operations) to Facts. That is the way that all expressions X of language L are determined to be true in L on the basis of the connection from X in L by truth preserving operations to the semantic meaning of X in L. {Linguistic truth} is the philosophical foundation of truth in math and logic, AKA relations between finite strings. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer