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From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Timeline for Intelligent design wiki
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2024 10:17:59 -0500
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On 9/6/2024 4:18 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2024-09-06 03:23:11 +0000, RonO said:
> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_intelligent_design#cite_note-84
>>
>> This wiki includes the Johnson quote that was removed from the Johnson 
>> wiki.  It is in the last section "After the Kitzmiller lawsuit".  The 
>> reference includes 2 WayBack links, one of which was the one that was 
>> used for the Johnson wiki.  The two original links are broken.
> 
> Thanks. I'll try to get back to this in a week or so (not immediately 
> because I'm rather busy with something else).
> 
> It would still be nice to have a reference in a serious newspaper or 
> journal. I found nothing in Science (maybe I used a wrong search 
> string), and Nature won't let me search unless I sign up to something 
> that I don't want to sign up to.

Thank you.  I appreciate your efforts.  As I note the Timeline wiki 
needs to be edited.  The fact that they do not have the final draft of 
the Ohio lesson plan should be noted, as well as the fact of the 
dishonest junk that they had in the draft that they do have.

The no moths on tree trunks lie came from Wells' Icons of Evolution and 
can be found in the Appendix A page 328 of the wiki pdf copy.  The 
creationist web links and the Wellsian lie were edited out of the final 
draft.  "Scientists have learned that peppered moths do not actually 
rest on tree trunks.  This has raised questions about whether color 
changes in the moth population were actually caused by differences in 
exposure to predatory birds."

This Wellsian lie was discussed on ARN when the draft lesson plan was 
made public.  Wells had claimed several times in his book that no moths 
were found on tree trunks, but someone pointed out that one of the 
references that Wells used to write his moth section had found 10% of 
the moths found on the trees were found on the tree trunk.  One guy 
tried to defend the Wellsian lie by claiming that it was an 
"exaggeration" as if fictional Vulcan logic applied to reality.  It 
likely wasn't just an exaggeration because 10% was likely more than 
expected by chance in terms of the surface area of the rest of the tree 
relative to the trunk.  Just think about how much more surface area you 
have in the leaves that have a front and back surface.

It also should be noted that at this time Wells' book was about the only 
thing the ID perps had to use to provide the rubes with switch scam 
obfuscation and denial material that did not also contain mention of the 
ID scam, and the Discovery Institute was advocating it's use for 
teaching the switch scam even though Wells was an ID perp and Wedgy. 
Even though the lesson plan had obviously been based on Wells' book they 
removed Icons of Evolution from the reference list of the final draft. 
You can still find it among the references in the draft that the wiki 
has a copy of.  It obviously wasn't any type of reference they wanted in 
the lesson plan when one of it's falsehoods got into the initial drafts 
of the lesson plan.

Ron Okimoto

>>
>> The wiki is deficient in several aspects.  Where the Johnson quote is 
>> used it should be made clear that Johnson made that admission after 
>> sitting in the Kitzmiller courtroom everyday of testimony.  Before he 
>> did this he was claiming that ID would prevail as science and would be 
>> taught in the Dover public schools.  That interview has to be archived 
>> somewhere because Johnson said it outside of the courtroom just before 
>> the start of the trial.
>>
>> They quote his switch scam denial that the ID perps promoted when the 
>> bait and switch failed and the Dover rubes tried to teach ID anyway in 
>> 2004.  The ID perps were claiming that the Dover rubes should have 
>> bent over for their teach the controversy obfuscation and denial 
>> switch scam, but both Johnson and Santorum claimed to support teaching 
>> ID in the Dover public schools.  The bait and switch went down on 
>> Santorum and he flip-flopped during his reelection campaign, but 
>> Johnson went into the courtroom claiming that ID was going to prevail.
>>
>> The "Creation science school textbooks" section is also deficient. 
>> When they refer to the 1981 Arkansas court case it should be noted 
>> that the reason why the Creation Biology Textbook Supplements and Of 
>> Pandas and People needed to be written was because during that trial 
>> it was noted that there were no suitable creation science reference 
>> materials that could be used to teach the junk in the public schools.  
>> All the available creation science literature was laced with Bible 
>> verses and Biblical mythology.  This lack of suitable teaching 
>> materials was noted by Judge Overton in his decision.  Kenyon and 
>> Thaxton needed to write a creation science textbook without the Bible 
>> verses and Biblical mythology.  As Johnson has been quoted ID is 
>> basically creationism without reference to the Bible.  Of Pandas and 
>> People was just what Johnson needed for his Wedge strategy.  It did 
>> not have the Bible in the discussion.
>>
>> The "Teach the controversy" section is also deficient.  It should be 
>> made clear that teaching ID was an integral part of the "Teach the 
>> Controversy" Wedge ploy.  The DeWolf et al., 1999 booklet cited in 
>> this section clearly has teaching ID as part of the Teach the 
>> Controversy Wedge ploy.  ID was only removed from Teach the 
>> Controversy literature after the bait and switch started to go down in 
>> 2002, and the ID perps started trying to force the rubes to go with 
>> only the obfuscation and denial part of the Teach the Controversy 
>> Wedge ploy.  The ID perps kept selling the Teach ID scam, but they 
>> would run the bait and switch on any creationist rubes that believed 
>> them.  From my recollection the "not required" to be taught excuse did 
>> not show up in their teach ID scam junk until the bait and switch 
>> failed in Dover.
>>
>> The section does correctly have the Ohio creationist rubes as being 
>> the first to bend over for the switch scam in 2004, but they do not 
>> state that they did it because they were the first creationist School 
>> board to have the bait and switch scam run on them by the ID perps in 
>> 2002. The Dec. 2002 lobbying efforts by the ID perps for pro Teach the 
>> Controversy legislation is noted, but it is not noted that the ID 
>> perps had run the bait and switch on the Ohio State board of education 
>> in March 2002.  The State board wanted to teach ID, and had invited 
>> the ID perps to give their dog and pony show, and instead of giving 
>> the rubes any ID science to teach they ran the bait and switch and 
>> told the rubes to go with the obfuscation and denial switch scam that 
>> they told the rubes had nothing to do with ID even though it was 
>> obviously the same obfuscation and denial junk that they had been 
>> using to support their ID scam.  They can use Wells' report to 
>> demonstrate that the bait and switch scam went down on the Ohio rubes.
>>
>> https://web.archive.org/web/20110814145400/http:// 
>> www.creationists.org/archived-obsolete-pages/2002-03-11-OSBE-wells.html
>>
>> Everyone should know that before Ohio in 2002 the ID perps were 
>> running the teach ID scam.  Teaching ID in the public schools was one 
>> of the 5 year goals listed in the Wedge document.  The ID Network had 
>> just gotten started, and they got the teach ID scam from the ID perps 
>> at the Discovery Institute.  Wells' admission in this report was his 
>> way of signalling to other ID perps that the decision to start running 
>> a bait and switch scam on the rubes had been made.  From then on any 
>> creationist legislator or school board that wanted to teach the ID 
>> science had the bait and switch run on them, and the Discovery 
>> Institute would tell the rubes to go with the obfuscation and denial 
>> switch scam instead.  By Dover the bait and switch had been going down 
>> for over 2 years, and only Ohio had bent over for the switch scam.  
>> The Discovery Institute used to have a list of IDiotic creationist 
>> rubes that they claimed were still considering the switch scam, but 
>> that list disappeared after Dover.  By Dover there were probably over 
>> 20 examples listed, but I recall only Louisiana and Texas eventually 
>> adopting switch scam legislation (Louisiana in 2008) and the Texas 
>> state board of education around 2010.  All the rest of the rubes 
>> eventually dropped the issue instead of bend over for the switch scam. 
>> Neither Louisiana nor Texas has developed a state wide program to do 
>> anything with the switch scam, but both states tried to use the switch 
>> scam to teach ID in their public schools in 2013 (Louisiana even 
>> called what they wanted to teach intelligent design and creationism).  
>> The bait and switch went down on both states again, and the ID perps 
>> reminded both states that the switch scam was supposed to have nothing 
>> to do with ID.  I do not recall either state ever trying to implement 
>> their switch scam policies after that.
>>
>> They also have the wrong copy of the Ohio model lesson plan from 2004. 
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