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From: "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid>
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Subject: Re: Visualizing
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2024 14:56:37 -0400
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"Wanderer" <dont@emailme.com> wrote in message news:308436@dontemail.com...
>
> On Fri, 06 Sep 2024 07:53:46 -0700, john larkin wrote:
>>On Fri, 06 Sep 2024 11:27:38 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
>>wrote:
>
>>>On Fri, 06 Sep 2024 07:53:46 -0700, john larkin
>>><jlarkin_highland_tech> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I was driving and listening to the local mostly-annoying NPR radio
>>>>station, but they had an interesting interview with a book author. It
>>>>was about his novel or some poetry or something.
>>>>
>>>>What was interesting was his recalling a conversation that he'd had
>>>>with his wife. She was takling about a plant or something and asked
>>>>him to visualize it. He was astounded that she, or anyone, could close
>>>>their eyes and *see* something they were thinking about.
>>>>
>>>>I was shocked to learn that there are people who can't form a mental
>>>>visual image.
>>>>
>>>>Close your eyes and consider a nice white ceramic dinner plate with a
>>>>beautiful deep red apple sitting in the center. Can you see it? From
>>>>the side and from the top? Do you see the stem? The colors? Imagine it
>>>>slowly rotating? See the fruit fly?
>>>>
>>>>If the world is divided between people who can visualise and people
>>>>who can't, that could explain a great deal.
>>>
>>>There are definitely such people, and I've met them.  The example that
>>>springs to mind was a History Teaching Assistant I met in college in
>>>the 1960s.  It turned out that he had been an EE Undergrad, and
>>>discovered that he could not visualize the electrons in motion, unlike
>>>his colleagues.  This TA was wise enough to know that this was
>>>crippling - he would never be able to compete with those who could
>>>visualize electrons.  So he switched to History.
>>>
>>>Joe Gwinn
>
>>The statistics would be interesting, whether the non-visualization
>>thing is common or maybe very rare. I'll have to google that some
>>time.
>
>>There is a small fraction of the population that don't like music, for
>>example. That includes me. Some people absolutely can't remember
>>faces. I know a guy who can only recognize people by their hair.
>
>>I'd expect that among CE/EE graduates, good visualizers would tend to
>>be more EE and less visualizers more CE. Things vs words.
>
>>That would suggest a good interview question.
>
>>I was drafted once (never served) and took a test to join the Marine
>>Corps. One part involved looking at a flat thing with various squares
>>painted with patterns, and then imagining a box that was folded up
>>from the flat thing. I guess that visualizing things would be useful
>>to a Marine.
>
>>I think the original IQ test was for the military.
>
> Baloney. I don't think I really visualize things. I don't see things floating
> in front of me.

I think the issue there is what it means to visualize.
I can temporarily replace the image of this computer screen with an image of an apple on a plate.
I can even make the apple lift off the plate if I want.
Obviously none of this is happening in front of me.
There has been no change in what's in front of me and what's in front of me is still being processed (you might say unconsciously).
I know this because I know I can safely drive a car while imagining floating apples.

> I feel it. Sort of like closing your eyes and feeling an object in
> your hand. I know it from all angles, its insides and outsides, its texture,
> its solidity, its weight... It's kind of the sculptor versus the painter but
> that is the information a good painter is getting across in his painting. I don't
> have problems with 3D puzzles. In high school, I had study class with the teacher
> who taught remedial students. One day there were all these 3D puzzles out that
> they used to test these kids cognitive ability. I walked over and solved them all
> in a couple of minutes. I didn't realize I had done anything special. I thought
> I just played with the toys. Until I turned around and saw the teacher staring at
> me. A couple of them no one had been able to solve.
>