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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Defining a correct simulating halt decider Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2024 08:57:00 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 47 Message-ID: <vbhm3c$1c7u5$12@dont-email.me> References: <vb4plc$2tqeg$1@dont-email.me> <vb6o5t$3a95s$1@dont-email.me> <vb71a3$3b4ub$4@dont-email.me> <vbbmuc$8nbb$1@dont-email.me> <vbcbe4$bdtb$3@dont-email.me> <vbeoge$q2ph$1@dont-email.me> <vbeprp$punj$7@dont-email.me> <c600a691fab10473128eed2a1fad2a429ad4733f@i2pn2.org> <vbh2sp$19ov0$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2024 15:57:00 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="fc36cd944b9fa7fa30157002795d809b"; logging-data="1449925"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+de94JPttPzFHOYNs6Sexo" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:6wb6mF9/XJ1h1FPyIbAHCLMUo5c= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vbh2sp$19ov0$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3107 On 9/7/2024 3:29 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-09-07 05:12:19 +0000, joes said: > >> Am Fri, 06 Sep 2024 06:42:48 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>> On 9/6/2024 6:19 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>> On 2024-09-05 13:24:20 +0000, olcott said: >>>>> On 9/5/2024 2:34 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>> On 2024-09-03 13:00:50 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>> On 9/3/2024 5:25 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2024-09-02 16:38:03 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A halt decider is a Turing machine that computes the mapping from >>>>>>>>> its finite string input to the behavior that this finite string >>>>>>>>> specifies. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A halt decider needn't compute the full behaviour, only whether >>>>>>>> that behaviour is finite or infinite. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> New slave_stack at:1038c4 Begin Local Halt Decider Simulation >> >>>>>>> Local Halt Decider: Infinite Recursion Detected Simulation Stopped >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hence HHH(DDD)==0 is correct >>>>>> >>>>>> Nice to see that you don't disagree with what said. >>>>>> Unvortunately I can't agree with what you say. >>>>>> HHH terminates, >>>>>> os DDD obviously terminates, too. No valid >>>>> >>>>> DDD emulated by HHH never reaches it final halt state. >>>> >>>> If that iis true it means that HHH called by DDD does not return and >>>> therefore is not a ceicder. >>> The directly executed HHH is a decider. >> What does simulating it change about that? > > If the simulation is incorrect it may change anything. > PATHOLOGICAL RELATIONSHIPS CHANGE BEHAVIOR PATHOLOGICAL RELATIONSHIPS CHANGE BEHAVIOR PATHOLOGICAL RELATIONSHIPS CHANGE BEHAVIOR PATHOLOGICAL RELATIONSHIPS CHANGE BEHAVIOR PATHOLOGICAL RELATIONSHIPS CHANGE BEHAVIOR -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer