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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written Subject: Re: (ReacTor) Defining Our Terms: What Do We Mean by "Hard SF"? Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2024 12:41:50 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 34 Message-ID: <vbi38u$1eud0$1@dont-email.me> References: <v8qtfr$j6v$1@reader1.panix.com> <va89b3$iqh3$1@dont-email.me> <va8glg$5b9$1@panix2.panix.com> <di9hcj9q12p05lu5qj3i557k9v4a5amc44@4ax.com> <vacuac$jor$1@panix2.panix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2024 19:41:50 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="31a3ec5b233a4f3fcd850c87781366f1"; logging-data="1538464"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/qglOatI6ZeOrySQFQiv2ngK4orPJhzc4=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.11.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:nol6iAYUznK7SQ3v5qhqD2EQTEA= In-Reply-To: <vacuac$jor$1@panix2.panix.com> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2545 On 24/08/2024 10.30, Scott Dorsey wrote: > Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote: >> On 22 Aug 2024 23:12:48 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote: >>> >>> I think memorizing integral tables is kind of a standard thing for >>> engineering calc classes. The whole point of the class is to be able to >>> solve hairy integrals as quickly as possible and there's no time to = >> derive >>> anything that you can memorize. If you try to derive everything you'll >>> never get through a fraction of the exams in time. >> >> Ah. >> >> Teaching to the test. > > No, not at all. The purpose of the class is to teach a specific set of > skills, which is to say rapid integration and derivation, because those > skills will later be required in engineering classes and then in the real > world of engineering. > > That is, it's skills training and not education. Well, in the real world, even before Matlab and such, if an engineer was faced with an ugly integral, he'd[1] pull the CRC book off the shelf, rather than try to apply integration by parts or something. And, I challenge anybody who hasn't taken a few semesters of calc to actually apply the CRC information to a problem. [1] Almost invariably back then. -- Michael F. Stemper Psalm 94:3-6