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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.lang.c Subject: Re: Top 10 most common hard skills listed on resumes... Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2024 06:39:38 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 45 Message-ID: <vbj9qb$1qi2h$1@dont-email.me> References: <vab101$3er$1@reader1.panix.com> <87mskwy9t1.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <vanq4h$3iieb$1@dont-email.me> <875xrkxlgo.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <vapitn$3u1ub$1@dont-email.me> <87o75bwlp8.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <vaps06$3vg8l$1@dont-email.me> <871q27weeh.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <20240829083200.195@kylheku.com> <87v7zjuyd8.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <20240829084851.962@kylheku.com> <87mskvuxe9.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <vaq9tu$1te8$1@dont-email.me> <875xrivrg0.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <20240829191404.887@kylheku.com> <86cylqw2f8.fsf@linuxsc.com> <871q2568vl.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <vavmbk$13k4n$1@dont-email.me> <87cylo494u.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <vb09gd$16mr5$1@dont-email.me> <20240831195350.785@kylheku.com> <86mskrrvco.fsf@linuxsc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2024 06:39:40 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="cedab109241535991cb224f8b499cda5"; logging-data="1919057"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18L7/6ZsFCzrAll3Vww/ADA" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:q/Hff9G7tdIAM5NBi9LeUZL5edM= In-Reply-To: <86mskrrvco.fsf@linuxsc.com> X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Bytes: 3880 On 01.09.2024 22:07, Tim Rentsch wrote: > > [...] The most important purpose of > the ISO C standard is to be read and understood by ordinary C > developers, not just compiler writers. [...] Is that part of a preamble or rationale given in the C standard? That target audience would surely surprise me. Myself I've programmed in quite some programming languages and never read a standard document of the respective language, nor did I yet met any programmer who have done so. All programmer folks I know used text books to learn and look up things and specific documentation that comes with the compiler or interpreter products. (This is of course just a personal experience.) I've also worked a lot with standards documents in various areas (mainly ISO and ITU-T standards but also some others). Almost none of these standards (if they were substantial ones[*]) were suited for "ordinary users". I used them to _implement_ the respective services or protocols. But what they describe, and how they describe things, is by far not the way that would fit "ordinary users". That's why I immediately see the necessity that compiler creators need to know them in detail to _implement_ "C". And that's why I cannot see how the statement of the C-standard's "most important purpose" would sound reasonable (to me). I mean, what will a programmer get from the "C" standard that a well written text book doesn't provide? After all the compiler vendor has to guarantee a conformance (or disclose any non-conformances). I met languages feature, implementation, and environment differences in various, e.g., C++ compilers I used in the past. The requirements we had to fulfill were to create products for various platforms with differences in their C++ environments. A restriction to the standard features were one point we learned from the compilers' descriptions, and much things beyond that had anyway been non-standard (like, e.g., template handling). YMMV, of course. Janis [*] By substantial I mean extensive ones like the ITU-T X.500 series and similar, not trivial ones like, say, the ISO 8601).