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From: zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com>
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On 9/7/2024 2:16 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 08:44:14 -0400, zen cycle
> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 9/6/2024 4:43 PM, cyclintom wrote:
>>> I have a mail address on outlook that uses my name rather than cyclintom and since 2009 when I again was interested in looking for work, it has had 5200 job offers.
> 
>> It has 5200 head hunter ads, not job offers.
> 
> 2009 would have been 15 years ago.  That's 346 offers per year or
> approximately 1 offer per day.  That's really impressive.  Assuming no
> repeat offers or spammers, I suspect there aren't enough employment
> recruiting agencies available to produce that many offers.
> 
> 2009 is problematic because Tom had his head injury some time near the
> end of 2009.  It allegedly took 4 years for Tom to recover.  Somehow,
> I don't see Tom applying for work while dealing with epileptic
> seizures, driving difficulties, insurance issues from four destroyed
> Ford Taurus vehicles, and an outstanding warrants for a DUI and
> failure to appear.
> 
> There's another problem.  Hiring senior management can be expensive to
> the employer at 15% to 25% of the employees first year salary.  For a
> $150,000 salary, that's about $30,000 in fees:
> <https://eddy.com/hr-encyclopedia/recruitment-fees/>
> Given the choice between paying an agency such a large amount and
> finding their own employees, many companies will opt for the cheaper
> route.  (That's what happened to me when I was looking).  For the
> recruiters to be paid, the employee is required to work for the
> company for at least 1 year and sometimes longer.  One look at Tom's
> resume and the job hopping would certainly have been noticed.
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
> What this tells me is that Tom has never even talked to a recruiter.

I'm quite sure he did. You're referring to a different recruiting 
process. The people tommy has been talking with are recruiters who are 
given leads to follow up on based predominantly keyword search 
algorithms but aren't contracted by the employer or employee. I get on 
average one phone call per day for different positions and several 
emails per day into my personal email client (the one listed in my 
linkedin profile) some of which are appropriate, some aren't. Half the 
time the phone calls are from a call center in India, and many of those 
cases the caller is barely intelligible from a combination of weak 
english skills and call center background noise.

Often times they are working on a position based on something from my 
resume twenty years ago. Example - I worked in the medical electronics 
industry off and on during the 80's and 90's. I also have listed some of 
my engineering quality control/management experience, and many of the 
calls are for QC-focused positions in the medical electronics area.

But you're correct in that the types of recruiters you're referring to 
probably wouldn't have contacted tommy - too many red flags.

> 
>>> Apparently that is painful to people like "shadow" and Liebermann
>>> but such is life. They seem to be in the business of denying my
>>> success. They can do anything they like, if it is that painful
>>> to them, why comment at all?
> 
> True.  There are some things that I don't disclose in public forums.
> Since I'm retired, I've been mentioning some of my failures and
> embarrassments more often.
> 
> Please remember that what I do, don't do, or do badly has no effect on
> your claims, assertions, boasts, credibility, competence, etc.  You
> have to prove those to your readers without comparing yourself with
> anyone else.  Cutting someone else down does not raise your
> competence.
> 
> As to me being in the business of denying your success, I'll consider
> denying your success when I see you demonstrate 3rd party proof that
> you were or are a success.  So far, I haven't seen any such proof.
> Assertions, claims, proclamations and lies are insufficient proof.
>   
>>> Without a degree and with most of my references dead, a large
>>> prortion of the jobs are running QC divisions and that sort of thing.
>>> I am a scientist
>>
>> lol...now tommy is a "scientist"!
> 
> At some point, he claimed to have been something like a "senior
> management consultant" or something similar, which should pay better
> than a scientist.

He can also shoot a quarter out of someones hand at 100 yards and 
incapacitate anyone in this forum with one arm tied behind his back!

<snip>

> 
>> You've never had a job offer for 200K. You had a head hunter call you
>> based on keyword searches in your linkedin profile and tell you about a
>> job that had 200K as the upper end of the scale. They subsequently hung
>> up when they realized they were talking to an arrogant asshole who lied
>> on his resume
> 
> I'm not sure that the way it works today, but was likely the method
> used by recruiters when Tom was working.  As I understand it (possibly
> wrong), prospective candidates rarely are able to talk with the
> recruiter until the agency has verified the resume and done a thorough
> background check. 

It's worked that way for many years and continues today. What tommy is 
talking about are the cold calls and emails sent out by companies 
fishing for clients.  I've spoken with several recruiters that way, as 
recently as a few weeks ago.

> Salary is initially mentioned as a very broad
> range.  At least that was what happened to a friend's son who was
> worried about job security and used a recruiter to see what was
> available.  I have no idea if that's typical.

That's different and is typical. The last time I was looking for a job I 
connected with several recruiting agencies.
- They do a phone interview once they get a chance to review your resume
- If the phone interview goes well, they check your references
- If everything lines up, they start searching for matching positions

That was the process when I got the job I have now, and the job I had 
before that.



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