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Path: ...!news.nobody.at!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2024 08:51:25 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 63 Message-ID: <vbka4u$1u1js$5@dont-email.me> References: <vajdta$2qe9s$1@dont-email.me> <vak3a0$2teq9$1@dont-email.me> <vakhnf$302rl$2@dont-email.me> <vamk7l$3d7ki$1@dont-email.me> <van3v7$3f6c0$5@dont-email.me> <vap7b1$3sobs$1@dont-email.me> <vapvbc$3vumk$5@dont-email.me> <e10aee5b3ede543da42ba76ac4d7f0a0fe762695@i2pn2.org> <vasmn8$hmpd$1@dont-email.me> <vaumg9$ut9s$1@dont-email.me> <vav0r9$10jsm$1@dont-email.me> <vavb4a$11uqn$1@dont-email.me> <vavca1$1283f$1@dont-email.me> <vave2b$11uqn$7@dont-email.me> <vavfoi$12m8t$4@dont-email.me> <vb1hq0$1fgj7$1@dont-email.me> <vb4enb$2rs5t$3@dont-email.me> <vb6iop$39hrf$1@dont-email.me> <vb74m3$3b4ub$11@dont-email.me> <vbel4p$pko5$1@dont-email.me> <vbeoik$punj$2@dont-email.me> <vbh116$19c8m$1@dont-email.me> <vbhlpj$1c7u5$8@dont-email.me> <vbjq7d$1shml$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2024 15:51:27 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="807c5ae02fef01679b819cece75165da"; logging-data="2033276"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/Dp0Ji3cBqbS1UkHO1LqtL" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:XGH8oLq0W2dx5Ts2ISfUHAxD38o= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vbjq7d$1shml$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 4274 On 9/8/2024 4:19 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-09-07 13:51:47 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 9/7/2024 2:57 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2024-09-06 11:20:52 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> On 9/6/2024 5:22 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>> On 2024-09-03 13:58:27 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>> >>>>>> _DDD() >>>>>> [00002172] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping >>>>>> [00002173] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping >>>>>> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD >>>>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD) >>>>>> [0000217f] 83c404 add esp,+04 >>>>>> [00002182] 5d pop ebp >>>>>> [00002183] c3 ret >>>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183] >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone that is not dumber than a box of rocks can tell >>>>>> that machine address 0000217f is unreachable for every >>>>>> DDD emulated by HHH according to the semantics of the >>>>>> x86 language where HHH emulates itself emulating DDD. >>>>> >>>>> Anyone who really knows either x86 assembly or machine langage or >>>>> C can see that the machine address 217f is unreachachable only if >>>>> the program at 000015d2, named HHH, does not return. >>>>> >>>> >>>> That is not exactly true. There is a directly executed HHH >>>> that always returns and a DDD emulated by HHH that calls >>>> an emulated HHH that never returns. >>> >>> There is only one DDD. The emulated DDD is the same as the directly >>> executed DDD. If HHH emulates someting else then that is not DDD. >> >> I have conclusively proven that DDD, DD, D, PP and P >> do have different behavior within pathological relationships >> than outside of pathological relationships at least 1000 >> times in the last three years. > > Saying "I have conclusively proven" wihtout actually proving anything > is not convincing. > Now there is a permanent link to the full file of the complete proof https://www.liarparadox.org/HHH(DDD).pdf We can know that HHH really is emulating itself emulating DDD because the execution trace of this second emulation matches the x86 source code of DDD line-by-line. Here is the C source-code that generated that x86 code. https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/master/Halt7.c That these things may be over your head does not provide the slightest trace of evidence that the above is not compete proof. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer