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From: Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>
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Subject: Re: BOLO pervert cyclist
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:23:09 -0400
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On 9/8/2024 11:25 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 9/7/2024 10:32 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 9/7/2024 11:12 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 22:47:51 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/7/2024 9:03 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 13:36:49 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/7/2024 11:10 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/7/2024 10:04 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Auto crash fatalities are a regrettable side effect of the use 
>>>>>>>> of cars
>>>>>>>> for transportation. And cars are so beneficial for 
>>>>>>>> transportation that
>>>>>>>> American society would cease to function if cars could not be used.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mass murders in schools are a regrettable side effect of the 
>>>>>>>> worship
>>>>>>>> of guns, especially AR-style rifles, the weapon of choice for such
>>>>>>>> murders. And I'll note that you have _still_ never managed to 
>>>>>>>> state a
>>>>>>>> practical societal benefit of ARs in public possession.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unlike cars, if ARs could not be used, America would be better 
>>>>>>>> off by
>>>>>>>> far. Just the tax savings from not having to "harden" public 
>>>>>>>> schools
>>>>>>>> would be worth the change.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or to summarize yet again: Benefits vs. detriments, John! A concept
>>>>>>>> that absolutely baffles you!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By that logic, are fatal car crashes by Ford Fiesta or Prius drivers
>>>>>>> less tragic than those by scary black pickups?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We could certainly talk about advantages vs. disadvantages of huge
>>>>>> pickup trucks and other similar vehicles. Books have been written on
>>>>>> that topic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like
>>>>> https://www.truckaddons.com/pros-and-cons-of-owning-a- pickup/
>>>>>
>>>>> Notice I provide a reference, you don't.
>>>>
>>>> https://slate.com/business/2022/02/suvs-pickups-heavy- huge-deadly- 
>>>> dont-buy-em.html
>>>>
>>>> or
>>>> https://reason.com/2024/02/02/why-are-pickup-trucks- ridiculously- 
>>>> huge-blame-government/
>>>>
>>>> "... critics aren't entirely wrong to point out the ill effects of
>>>> mega-truck proliferation—or the oddity of using a 6,500- pound,
>>>> 22-foot-long vehicle mainly as a grocery-getter. Pedestrian deaths have
>>>> reached 40-year highs and the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety
>>>> research shows that as trucks and SUVs have gotten taller and heavier,
>>>> they likewise have posed greater risks to those outside the vehicle."
>>>>
>>>> I have no problem with compact pickup trucks, just as I have no problem
>>>> with what were always considered normal and legitimate hunting rifles.
>>>> But bloated, oversized modern pickup trucks are a close parallel to
>>>> AR-style guns. They are bought mostly to raise the owners' testosterone
>>>> level, by providing capabilities that are essentially never needed. And
>>>> the detriments are externalities, imposed on others who get none of the
>>>> minuscule benefits.
>>>
>>> I can't say for the U.S. but here pickups are used, many times for
>>> (probably) then they were intended to haul.
>>> https://www.hotcars.com/thailand-largest-pickup-truck- market-in-the- 
>>> world/
>>> And the article pretty well says that your two references just aren't
>>> true... at least here.
>>> https://duckduckgo.com/? 
>>> q=thailand+pickup+trucks&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic1.hotcarsimages.com%2Fwordpress%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2023%2F01%2Fpthai3.jpg&t=lm
>>> The multitude of used of pickups here. There are even a few home made
>>> pickups shown.
>>
>> America is different. See https://www.thedrive.com/ news/26907/you- 
>> dont-need-a-full-size-pickup-truck-you-need- a-cowboy-costume
>>
>> Among other points the author makes, "...a significant portion of 
>> truck owners never use their trucks for these capabilities. According 
>> to Edwards’ data, 75 percent of truck owners use their truck for 
>> towing one time a year or less (meaning, never). Nearly 70 percent of 
>> truck owners go off-road one time a year or less. And a full 35 
>> percent of truck owners use their truck for hauling—putting something 
>> in the bed, its ostensible raison d’être—once a year or less."
>>
> 
> 
> Same argument applies to 95% of race bikes and probably half of all 
> upper end bicycles. They are mostly sitting in garages as we speak.

Correct, of course, but even the most avid rider's bike is probably 
sitting in his garage at any given moment.

It would be more accurate to say that most race bikes are never raced. 
Which should be a strong clue that a race bike is probably far from the 
best choice for most bicyclists.

But hey, they're fashionable!

-- 
- Frank Krygowski