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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth} Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2024 12:11:43 +0300 Organization: - Lines: 94 Message-ID: <vbme4f$2bu08$1@dont-email.me> References: <vb0lkb$1c1kh$2@dont-email.me> <vb1hdi$1feme$1@dont-email.me> <vb4erg$2s0uc$1@dont-email.me> <vb6hv7$39dvq$1@dont-email.me> <vb71fn$3b4ub$5@dont-email.me> <vbbm40$8k2u$1@dont-email.me> <vbc9t5$bdtb$1@dont-email.me> <vbem5f$pont$1@dont-email.me> <vbeod1$punj$1@dont-email.me> <vbh1n7$19hd9$1@dont-email.me> <vbhlv7$1c7u5$10@dont-email.me> <vbjq33$1shau$1@dont-email.me> <vbk8j9$1u1js$4@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2024 11:11:44 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="e9f5808af9c260f72bd2daf060bda873"; logging-data="2488328"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18/P+Es/lm2eBmINNLYk2Xq" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:KPtAQxqIBZhNccCws0cZhxECTVA= Bytes: 4774 On 2024-09-08 13:24:56 +0000, olcott said: > On 9/8/2024 4:17 AM, Mikko wrote: >> On 2024-09-07 13:54:47 +0000, olcott said: >> >>> On 9/7/2024 3:09 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>> On 2024-09-06 11:17:53 +0000, olcott said: >>>> >>>>> On 9/6/2024 5:39 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>> On 2024-09-05 12:58:13 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/5/2024 2:20 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2024-09-03 13:03:51 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 9/3/2024 3:39 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2024-09-02 13:33:36 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 9/1/2024 5:58 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-09-01 03:04:43 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases* >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge is a justified true belief such that the >>>>>>>>>>>>> justification is sufficient reason to accept the >>>>>>>>>>>>> truth of the belief. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettier_problem >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The remaining loophole is the lack of an exact definition >>>>>>>>>>>> of "sufficient reason". >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ultimately sufficient reason is correct semantic >>>>>>>>>>> entailment from verified facts. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The problem is "verified" facts: what is sufficient verification? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Stipulated to be true is always sufficient: >>>>>>>>> Cats are a know if animal. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Insufficient for practtical purposes. You may stipulate that >>>>>>>> nitroglycerine is not poison but it can kill you anyway. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The point is that <is> the way the linguistic truth actually works. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've never seen or heard any linguist say so. The term has been used >>>>>> by DG Schwartz in 1985. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is similar to the analytic/synthetic distinction >>>>> yet unequivocal. >>>>> >>>>> I am redefining the term analytic truth to have a >>>>> similar definition and calling this {linguistic truth}. >>>>> >>>>> Expression of X of language L is proved true entirely >>>>> based on its meaning expressed in language L. Empirical >>>>> truth requires sense data from the sense organs to be >>>>> verified as true. >>>> >>>> Seems that you don't know about any linguist that has used the term. >>>> >>> >>> I INVENTED A BRAND NEW FREAKING TERM >> >> Is it really a new term if someone else (DG Schwartz) has used it before? >> Is it a term for a new concept or a new term for an old concept? >> > > A stipulative definition is a type of definition in which a > new or currently existing term is given a new specific meaning > for the purposes of argument or discussion in a given context. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stipulative_definition A stipulative definition is a temporary hack when it is not clear what the definition should be or when a need for a good definitino is not expected. A stipluative definition is not valid outside the opus or discussion where it is presented. > *LINGUISTIC TRUTH IS STIPULATED TO MEAN* > When expression X of language L is connected to its semantic > meaning M by a sequence of truth preserving operations P in > language L then and only then is X true in L. That was the > True(L,X) that Tarski "proved" cannot possibly exist. > Copyright 2024 Olcott With that definition Tarski proved that linguistic truth is not identifiable. -- Mikko