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Subject: Re: The Big Lie Of "Skilled" Migrant Workers Saving Western Economies
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2024 06:19:46 -0500
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Borax Man wrote:
> ["Followup-To:" header set to talk.politics.misc.]
> On 2024-09-09, D  Ray <d@ray> wrote:
>> There are a great many tall tales circulating these days in association
>> with illegal immigration.  Possibly one of the most prevalent claims from
>> the political left is that western economies "need illegals" in order to
>> support the dragging economy and fill a hungry labor market. An extension
>> of this idea is that many of these migrants are "skilled workers" that the
>> west desperately needs for vital roles.
>>
>> But how much do the US and Europe really need illegal immigrants in order
>> to keep western economies going?  And how many of them actually bring
>> important skills to western labor markets?  Would they be sunk without
>> these people?  Or, would they be much better off?
>>
>> First and foremost it should be noted that in the US there is ample
>> evidence to show that the Biden Administration has been engaging in
>> statistical manipulation for the last four years, and this includes labor
>> statistics.  While there was indeed a clear shortage of workers in the
>> service sector during covid lockdowns (and the helicopter money supplied by
>> covid stimulus and PPP loans), recent revisions to BLS numbers have cut at
>> least 819,000 jobs from the books that Biden originally took credit for.
>> In other words, those jobs never existed.
>>
>> It was these same jobs numbers that were used by the Democrats to argue in
>> favor of open borders; asserting that without illegals this explosion in
>> labor demand would turn into a worker shortage crisis.  While specific job
>> sector stats (job categories) don't usually distinguish between legal and
>> illegal migrants, there is little evidence to indicate they fill an
>> important role in our society.
>>
>> In America, migrants flood into the low-skill service sector and health
>> services sector.  In many cases this involves entry level nursing home care
>> and similar employment.  The other category in which they usually work is
>> construction.  They offer cheap labor for home building, but this has
>> certainly not translated to lower housing costs.
>>
>> In the meantime, tens-of-millions illegal migrants drive up housing demand,
>> in turn driving up prices on new homes and rentals.  Migrants are given
>> access to government subsidies as long as they are under review for asylum
>> or refugee status, in many cases they are offered more access to government
>> aid than natural born citizens.  Both California and Oregon are currently
>> instituting housing loan programs available to immigrants only.
>>
>> Census SIPP data from 2022 indicates that around 59% of non-citizen
>> households in the US use one or more welfare programs, compared to 39% of
>> US-born households.  The establishment media and Democrats will often try
>> to dilute welfare stats by citing legal migrant numbers instead of illegal
>> migrant numbers.
>>
>> Around 47% of illegal migrants to the US never completed high school (as
>> opposed to 8% of US-born citizens).
>>
>> It is estimated that illegals cost US taxpayers at least $150 billion in
>> public services (officially) each year while paying only $25 billion in
>> taxes.  While some economists cite a potential $324 billion in GDP gain
>> from migrant workers, this almost all comes from wages which illegals send
>> to their families outside the US.
>>
>> In the UK, migrant data is rarely tracked by the government, ostensibly
>> because they want to keep the indigenous public in the dark as much as
>> possible.  However it is clear that, just like in the US, migrants
>> (specifically from third-world nations) do not bring skilled labor to the
>> table.  UK migrants overwhelmingly work in the service and health sectors,
>> once again in low-level nursing jobs, elderly facilities, some work in tech
>> and the rest do not work at all.
>>
>> The UK estimates that at least 1.7 million migrants are unemployed while on
>> the dole, and they are costing taxpayers upwards of £8.5 Billion ($11
>> billion) annually.
>>
>> In Germany, welfare costs skyrocketed in 2024 and reports show 47% of
>> recipients for government handouts are migrants.  The total cost of $49
>> billion is 14.8 percent higher than in 2023, 18.4 percent higher compared
>> to 2020, and 23 percent higher compared to 2015.   In the EU migrants from
>> Africa and Asia are once again greatly overrepresented in health services.
>>
>> The point is, the notion of "skilled migrant workers" saving western
>> economies with their vital labors is a complete fabrication.  Illegal
>> migrants in particular are a net negative and a dangerous strain on the
>> welfare system.  They also drive up housing costs by creating mass demand
>> with not enough supply, and this same demand drives up inflation in almost
>> every other area of the economy.  The roles they do fill can be easily
>> adapted without them by offering minor subsidies or tax benefits for
>> American citizens.
>>
>> Like most countries in the world today, the US and European nations should
>> be vetting migrants and only accepting those that bring value to the table
>> along with a willingness to assimilate.  Otherwise, they serve no useful
>> purpose.
>>
>> <https://www.zerohedge.com/political/big-lie-skilled-migrant-workers-saving-western-economies>
>>
>> <https://web.archive.org/web/20240904015928/https://www.zerohedge.com/political/big-lie-skilled-migrant-workers-saving-western-economies>
> 
> I'm skeptical of the benefits of legal immigration, let alone illegal
> immigration.  The fact is, that successive generations are now not able
> to achieve what previous generations could, in terms of major life
> goals.  Establishing a family, buying a house, etc.  Its hard to see the
> 'benefit' of immigration, when you, despite having a better position and
> more education than you parents, couldn't possible afford to buy the
> kind of home they could.
> 
> As far as I'm concerned, its done and dusted, mass immigration has been
> a failure, a detriment.
> 

It doesn't help when the first thing a president does after taking 
office is tell minorities and immigrants that they live in a country 
that is "Systemically Racist."  Such comments discourage effort and 
encourage dependence on hand-outs.