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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: piglet <erichpwagner@hotmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Ye olde bootstrappe buffere Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2024 19:44:18 +0100 Organization: A noisesome patent Spinner Lines: 127 Message-ID: <vbnfm3$2gl2b$1@dont-email.me> References: <66df3030$3$1787$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2024 20:44:19 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="75bdf99a976b62a8f6496bf4aeb24a0d"; logging-data="2643019"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+PclkMvN8+7oB9/V+epgkA" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:BtjLVzi3g1XdA48kmeVOm4H4w+0= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <66df3030$3$1787$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> Bytes: 5512 On 09/09/2024 6:28 pm, bitrex wrote: > Looks promising, with a midband gain of about 0.97. > > Use a PNP/JFET cascode as the slower input (as I guess sub-GHz PNPs is > all we have, now) and fast NPNs on the output. > > It's definitely not expensive, anyway: > > <https://imgur.com/a/MTh2kl7> > > Version 4 > SHEET 1 5120 680 > WIRE 592 -1024 592 -1104 > WIRE 592 -1024 -240 -1024 > WIRE -240 -848 -240 -1024 > WIRE -240 -656 -240 -768 > WIRE 176 -656 -240 -656 > WIRE 800 -656 240 -656 > WIRE -240 -528 -240 -656 > WIRE 592 -416 592 -1024 > WIRE -240 -368 -240 -448 > WIRE 528 -368 -240 -368 > WIRE -240 -256 -240 -368 > WIRE 592 -192 592 -320 > WIRE 592 -192 -192 -192 > WIRE 800 -192 800 -656 > WIRE 800 -192 592 -192 > WIRE -240 0 -240 -160 > WIRE -576 48 -672 48 > WIRE -416 48 -512 48 > WIRE -304 48 -416 48 > WIRE 592 128 592 -192 > WIRE -240 176 -240 96 > WIRE 528 176 -240 176 > WIRE -832 240 -832 176 > WIRE -672 240 -672 48 > WIRE -416 288 -416 48 > WIRE -240 288 -240 176 > WIRE 592 304 592 224 > WIRE -832 464 -832 320 > WIRE -672 464 -672 320 > WIRE -416 464 -416 368 > WIRE -240 464 -240 368 > WIRE 592 464 592 384 > FLAG -240 464 0 > FLAG 592 464 0 > FLAG -416 464 0 > FLAG -672 464 0 > FLAG -832 464 0 > FLAG -832 176 Vcc > FLAG 592 -1104 Vcc > SYMBOL njf -192 -256 M0 > SYMATTR InstName J1 > SYMATTR Value 2N3819 > SYMBOL res -256 272 R0 > SYMATTR InstName R1 > SYMATTR Value 1k > SYMBOL npn 528 -416 R0 > SYMATTR InstName Q1 > SYMATTR Value BFR91A > SYMBOL npn 528 128 R0 > SYMATTR InstName Q2 > SYMATTR Value BFR91A > SYMBOL res 576 288 R0 > SYMATTR InstName R2 > SYMATTR Value 470 > SYMBOL res -432 272 R0 > SYMATTR InstName R3 > SYMATTR Value 10k > SYMBOL cap -512 32 R90 > WINDOW 0 0 32 VBottom 2 > WINDOW 3 32 32 VTop 2 > SYMATTR InstName C1 > SYMATTR Value 100n > SYMBOL voltage -672 224 R0 > WINDOW 123 24 124 Left 2 > WINDOW 39 0 0 Left 0 > SYMATTR Value2 AC 1 > SYMATTR InstName V1 > SYMATTR Value SINE(0 0.2 1Meg) > SYMBOL voltage -832 224 R0 > WINDOW 123 0 0 Left 0 > WINDOW 39 0 0 Left 0 > SYMATTR InstName V2 > SYMATTR Value 9 > SYMBOL pnp -304 96 M180 > SYMATTR InstName Q3 > SYMATTR Value MPSH81 > SYMBOL res -256 -544 R0 > SYMATTR InstName R4 > SYMATTR Value 1k > SYMBOL res -256 -864 R0 > SYMATTR InstName R5 > SYMATTR Value 1k > SYMBOL cap 240 -672 R90 > WINDOW 0 0 32 VBottom 2 > WINDOW 3 32 32 VTop 2 > SYMATTR InstName C2 > SYMATTR Value 100n > TEXT -704 488 Left 2 !;tran 0.1 > TEXT -640 368 Left 2 !.ac oct 10 10k 1G > TEXT 1208 -472 Left 2 !.MODEL BFR91A NPN\n+ IS = > 1.32873E-015\n+ BF = 1.02000E+002\n+ NF = > 1.00025E+000\n+ VAF = 5.19033E+001\n+ IKF = > 8.15511E+000\n+ ISE = 1.39029E-014\n+ NE = > 1.51292E+000\n+ BR = 1.76953E+001\n+ NR = > 9.94038E-001\n+ VAR = 3.28032E+000\n+ IKR = > 1.00000E+001\n+ ISC = 1.04297E-015\n+ NC = > 1.18993E+000\n+ RB = 1.00000E+001\n+ IRB = > 1.00000E-006\n+ RBM = 1.00000E+001\n+ RE = > 7.63636E-001\n+ RC = 9.00000E+000\n+ EG = > 1.11000E+000\n+ XTI = 3.00000E+000\n+ CJE = > 2.03216E-012\n+ VJE = 6.00000E-001\n+ MJE = > 2.90076E-001\n+ TF = 6.55790E-012\n+ XTF = > 3.89752E+001\n+ VTF = 1.09308E+001\n+ ITF = > 5.21078E-001\n+ CJC = 1.00353E-012\n+ VJC = > 3.40808E-001\n+ MJC = 1.94223E-001\n.ENDS > TEXT 1216 472 Left 2 !.model MPSH81 PNP(Is=10f Xti=3 Eg=1.11 Vaf=100 > Bf=133.8 Ise=1.678p Ne=2.159 Ikf=.1658 Nk=.901 Xtb=1.5 Var=100 Br=1 > Isc=9.519n Nc=3.88 Ikr=5.813 Rc=7.838 Cjc=2.81p Mjc=.1615 Vjc=.8282 > Fc=.5 Cje=2.695p Mje=.3214 Vje=.7026 Tr=11.32n Tf=97.83p Itf=69.29 > Xtf=599u Vtf=10 Vceo=20 Icrating=50m mfg=Fairchild) What does the JFET get you that an NPN BJT in that position wouldn't do? piglet