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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Defining a correct simulating halt decider Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2024 15:24:00 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 55 Message-ID: <vbnlh1$2hlrm$1@dont-email.me> References: <vb4plc$2tqeg$1@dont-email.me> <vb6o5t$3a95s$1@dont-email.me> <vb71a3$3b4ub$4@dont-email.me> <vbbmuc$8nbb$1@dont-email.me> <vbcbe4$bdtb$3@dont-email.me> <vbeoge$q2ph$1@dont-email.me> <vbeprp$punj$7@dont-email.me> <c600a691fab10473128eed2a1fad2a429ad4733f@i2pn2.org> <vbh2sp$19ov0$1@dont-email.me> <vbhm3c$1c7u5$12@dont-email.me> <vbkdph$1v80k$1@dont-email.me> <vbne7e$2g6vo$6@dont-email.me> <9638d86c7409f5f409bd972e5ac0dfff66e4dcce@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2024 22:24:01 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="ce886c54a33fbb99da3cdb312c5f423c"; logging-data="2676598"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/DolE7qnxoTgihxm5IAUMT" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:yqKyqhGVWR0et33KDi7FElzg40o= In-Reply-To: <9638d86c7409f5f409bd972e5ac0dfff66e4dcce@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3672 On 9/9/2024 3:02 PM, joes wrote: > Am Mon, 09 Sep 2024 13:19:26 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 9/8/2024 9:53 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2024-09-07 13:57:00 +0000, olcott said: >>>> On 9/7/2024 3:29 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>> On 2024-09-07 05:12:19 +0000, joes said: >>>>>> Am Fri, 06 Sep 2024 06:42:48 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>> On 9/6/2024 6:19 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2024-09-05 13:24:20 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>> On 9/5/2024 2:34 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 2024-09-03 13:00:50 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>>>> On 9/3/2024 5:25 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-09-02 16:38:03 +0000, olcott said: > >>>>>>>>>>>> A halt decider needn't compute the full behaviour, only >>>>>>>>>>>> whether that behaviour is finite or infinite. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Local Halt Decider: Infinite Recursion Detected Simulation >>>>>>>>>>> Stopped >>>>>>>>>>> Hence HHH(DDD)==0 is correct >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nice to see that you don't disagree with what said. >>>>>>>>>> Unvortunately I can't agree with what you say. >>>>>>>>>> HHH terminates, so DDD obviously terminates, too. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> DDD emulated by HHH never reaches it final halt state. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If that iis true it means that HHH called by DDD does not return >>>>>>>> and therefore is not a ceicder. >>>>>>> The directly executed HHH is a decider. >>>>>> What does simulating it change about that? >>>>> If the simulation is incorrect it may change anything. >>>>> >>>> PATHOLOGICAL RELATIONSHIPS CHANGE BEHAVIOR >>> However, a correct simultation faithfully imitates the original >>> behaviour. >>> >> A correct emulation obeys the x86 machine code even if this machine code >> catches the machine on fire. > I don’t see an HCF instruction above. > >> It is impossible for an emulation of DDD by HHH to reach machine address >> 00002183 AND YOU KNOW IT!!! > I know that HHH1 does it. > Right a Bill is guilty of robbing the liquor store because you saw his identical twin brother Harry rob the store and you knew that it was Harry that you saw rob the store and not Bill. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer