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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.misty.com!news.iecc.com!.POSTED.news.iecc.com!not-for-mail From: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: is Vax addressing sane today Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2024 20:34:39 -0000 (UTC) Organization: Taughannock Networks Message-ID: <vbnm4v$107g$1@gal.iecc.com> References: <vbd6b9$g147$1@dont-email.me> <73c6d21457c487c61051ec52fe25ea5d@www.novabbs.org> <vbl3qj$22a2q$1@dont-email.me> <2024Sep9.100300@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2024 20:34:39 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: gal.iecc.com; posting-host="news.iecc.com:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:676f:7373:6970"; logging-data="33008"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@iecc.com" In-Reply-To: <vbd6b9$g147$1@dont-email.me> <73c6d21457c487c61051ec52fe25ea5d@www.novabbs.org> <vbl3qj$22a2q$1@dont-email.me> <2024Sep9.100300@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> Cleverness: some X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test77 (Sep 1, 2010) Originator: johnl@iecc.com (John Levine) Bytes: 2304 Lines: 22 According to Anton Ertl <anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at>: >Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: >>Perhaps there is also the issue of the wildly-variable instruction length. >>A single VAX operand descriptor could be up to 6 bytes; I think the >>instruction with the most general-format operands could have 6 of them: >>so, plus opcode, such an instruction could be 37 bytes long. > >The regularity of the VAX operand formats may actually help build the >decoder: Decode your byte stream as possible operands, and then let >the instruction decoder pick the real operands from the potential >operands. Urrgh. Some of those bogus operands are indirect indexed auto-increment, so you are going to be throwing away a whole lot of work. Compare that to zSeries, where even after 50 years of sticking new instructions into the holes in the S/360 instruction set, it can still tell the length of the instruction from the first two bits and the operands from the first byte. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly