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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: arm ldxr/stxr vs cas Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2024 14:04:21 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 27 Message-ID: <vbnnsl$2hvrc$1@dont-email.me> References: <vb4sit$2u7e2$1@dont-email.me> <07d60bd0a63b903820013ae60792fb7a@www.novabbs.org> <vbc4u3$aj5s$1@dont-email.me> <898cf44224e9790b74a0269eddff095a@www.novabbs.org> <vbd4k1$fpn6$1@dont-email.me> <vbd91c$g5j0$1@dont-email.me> <vbm790$2atfb$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2024 23:04:21 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a3d1d68c17abf34994c0af4a498168c2"; logging-data="2686828"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/LYTicGiv/mvvOP188g4KXNWCFNwOa2Bw=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:gZpXBdL1K+e4ecpX9HAAcwubac0= In-Reply-To: <vbm790$2atfb$2@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2157 On 9/9/2024 12:14 AM, Terje Mathisen wrote: > jseigh wrote: >> >> I'm not so sure about making the memory lock granularity same as >> cache line size but that's an implementation decision I guess. > > Just make sure you never have multiple locks residing inside the same > cache line! Yeah. That would be interestingly bad... > >> >> I do like the idea of detecting potential contention at the >> start of LL/SC so you can do back off. Right now the only way I >> can detect contention is after the fact when the CAS fails and >> I probably have the cache line exclusive at that point. It's >> pretty problematic. > > I do prefer LOCK XADD instead of CAS (CmpXchg*), because the return > value will also tell you which queue entry to pick/work on. > > It will not be optimal when really contended, but at least one > participant will make forward progress, and typically several of them. [...]