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From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi>
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Subject: Re: {linguistic truth} is the foundation of truth in mathematical logic
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2024 12:20:18 +0300
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On 2024-09-09 13:22:24 +0000, olcott said:

> On 9/7/2024 8:40 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 9/7/24 9:19 AM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 9/7/2024 3:41 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>> On 2024-09-06 12:13:22 +0000, olcott said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 9/6/2024 7:03 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-09-05 23:41:55 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A whole body of {linguistic truth} can be defined as expressions
>>>>>>> of language that are true on the basis of their meaning expressed
>>>>>>> in this same language.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Expressions that can only be known to be true on the basis
>>>>>>> of observation belong to a different class of knowledge.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Linguistic things should be discussed in sci.lang.
>>>>>> This group is for things related to logic.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The actual foundation of logical and mathematical truth
>>>>> is simply relations between finite strings, thus linguistic
>>>>> truth.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't think logicians want to use the word "linguistic" for anything
>>>> in foundations of logic.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> I don't care. When I refer to analytic truth most everyone
>>> says that has been disavowed by Quine and the conversation
>>> dies right there.
>>> 
>>> The most apt name for truth specified by relations between
>>> finite strings is linguistic truth. Truth that requires sense
>>> data form the sense organs become empirical truth.
>>> 
>>> This converts the analytic/synthetic distinction into the
>>> linguistic/empirical distinction so Willard Van Orman Quine
>>> can STFU !
>>> 
>> 
>> The problem is that you don't seem to understand the concept of domain 
>> of discussion (or context).
>> 
>> Quine is talking about the limitation of Natural Language to discuss 
>> concepts, that BECAUSE words can have ill-defined meaning, a statement 
>> in Natural Language can be ambiguous.
>> 
> 
> Quine is just too freaking stupid to understand that the term "bachelor"
> is an otherwise totally meaningless finite string until it is stipulated
> to have the meaning of ~Married & Adult & Male.

If he is too stupid to understand that then why does he claim it?

-- 
Mikko