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From: Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de>
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Subject: Re: BOLO pervert cyclist
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2024 13:21:56 +0200
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Am 10.09.2024 um 12:54 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
> On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 09:47:33 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 9 Sep 2024 21:48:43 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/9/2024 5:11 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 9 Sep 2024 16:11:11 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/9/2024 11:57 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I said, we drive over a hundred miles. Park where there ae no
>>>>>>> chargers or gas stations, then drive home, knowing that finding a gas
>>>>>>> station is not going to be a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course, I've done that many times with this EV. And finding a gas
>>>>>> station is even less of a problem for me - because I don't use them any
>>>>>> more!
>>>>>
>>>>> In a car with a 250 Mile range?
>>>>
>>>> 250 nominal. Given things like Google Maps, I can be quite sure of the
>>>> distance I'll be traveling.
>>>
>>> Google maps don't make your trips any shorter.
>>>
>>> With Google Maps, if I'm going somewhere in particular, I generally
>>> look for less time on the road, rather than less miles, and I don't
>>> need to be sure of the distance. Oft times, we just go for a ride,
>>> stop for a meal at some down home, mom and pop restaurant, and maybe
>>> take a walk along a strip of seashore, or on a path through a wooded
>>> park.
>>>
>>> On our drive back and forth to Colorado a few years ago, we got
>>> enthralled with the Ozarks, and wasted several hours driving around
>>> and up and down on narrow windy two lane roads. You talk about
>>> experiencing new vistas on your bicycle, but you can't really see very
>>> much while traveling on a bicycle. It's nice to have a vehicle that
>>> you don't have to concern yourself with where there is going to be
>>> some charging stations. Gas stations are almost always right around
>>> the corner or at the next exit, and almost always with an open lane.
>>>
>>>> And for longer trips I charge to 100%, which
>>>> has given me a predicted range as high as 294 miles in decent weather.
>>>
>>> Oh yes, I'll bet an EV presents special problems in the winter. A
>>> heavier car can be a good thing for going through snow, but a
>>> hindrance on ice and packed snow, and using the defroster and heater
>>> are of no concern.
>>>
>> Unless you have a 1st generation Nissan leaf it’s not an issue, EV range
>> will drop in cold weather but not massively so don’t believe click bate
>> articles!
> 
> I'm pretty sure the batteries don't work as well, and then there's the
> heater. You can drive without the air conditioner, even in Florida. I
> like the windows open unless I'm driving over 40 MPH. I suppose one
> can drive in 15 degree weather without the heater on, but I wouldn't
> wan to do it.

The heater /air conditioner has a big impact on the first 10 miles to 
bring the car to a meaningful temperature.  On a 300 mile trip at 95F 
with air conditioner, battery consumption is very similar to the same 
30o mile trip as 70F without air conditioner.

>>> Stop and go traffic can be a
>>> bother, but it never makes me worry about running out of gas. An
>>> accident ahead on a limited access highway that stops or slows things
>>> down to a crawl can be much more than a bother, but again, it's quick
>>> and easy to keep the tank full enough for that not to be an issue.
>>
>> Stop go traffic or busy traffic a EV will cope with fine  as unlike a ICE
>> car if stop it doesn’t use motor power that’s why EV range is worse on the
>> highways vs around town.
> 
> Most stop and go traffic isn't stopped long enough to recover what
> it'll cost to start up.
> 
> Starting and stopping takes more energy (fuel) than when cruising
> along. That's true with either one. 

An EV recovers 70-80% of the braking energy, so start-stop is not an 
issue.  What is a real boon is that start/stop at 30 mph gives you close 
to double the range of cruising at 60 mph.

> If you read about driving
> efficiently, you'l learn not to waste energy by hard braking. You lose
> by wasting momentum and having a standing start instead of the rolling
> start because of your gradual slowdown. Even with an EV, it pays if
> you don't brake hard...  

Sure, I can get 10% extra mileage than my son at similar driving speeds 
but 10% is not significant.  The Bicycle mindset "if you need to brake 
hard you probably should have started coasting 30s ago" does help a bit.

> and yeah, I know that with some EV's braking can charge the battery.

Make that all EV cars (but not EV bicycles).

Rolf