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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth} Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2024 08:46:59 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 121 Message-ID: <vbpikk$2vfau$6@dont-email.me> References: <vb0lkb$1c1kh$2@dont-email.me> <vb1hdi$1feme$1@dont-email.me> <vb4erg$2s0uc$1@dont-email.me> <vb6hv7$39dvq$1@dont-email.me> <vb71fn$3b4ub$5@dont-email.me> <vbbm40$8k2u$1@dont-email.me> <vbc9t5$bdtb$1@dont-email.me> <vbem5f$pont$1@dont-email.me> <vbeod1$punj$1@dont-email.me> <vbh1n7$19hd9$1@dont-email.me> <vbhlv7$1c7u5$10@dont-email.me> <vbjq33$1shau$1@dont-email.me> <vbk8j9$1u1js$4@dont-email.me> <vbme4f$2bu08$1@dont-email.me> <vbmrnq$2dpff$1@dont-email.me> <vbp0r2$2scm4$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2024 15:47:00 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0a3586ad0dea434fbe80fe97605af752"; logging-data="3128670"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX184pqvi5U/VI86P0yNReBeV" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:uq6Es3lcpcwMK9sJcMs7V2zCh3U= In-Reply-To: <vbp0r2$2scm4$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 6069 On 9/10/2024 3:43 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-09-09 13:03:54 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 9/9/2024 4:11 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2024-09-08 13:24:56 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> On 9/8/2024 4:17 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>> On 2024-09-07 13:54:47 +0000, olcott said: >>>>> >>>>>> On 9/7/2024 3:09 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>> On 2024-09-06 11:17:53 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/6/2024 5:39 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 2024-09-05 12:58:13 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/2024 2:20 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-09-03 13:03:51 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/3/2024 3:39 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-09-02 13:33:36 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/1/2024 5:58 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-09-01 03:04:43 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge is a justified true belief such that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justification is sufficient reason to accept the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth of the belief. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettier_problem >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The remaining loophole is the lack of an exact definition >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of "sufficient reason". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ultimately sufficient reason is correct semantic >>>>>>>>>>>>>> entailment from verified facts. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem is "verified" facts: what is sufficient >>>>>>>>>>>>> verification? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Stipulated to be true is always sufficient: >>>>>>>>>>>> Cats are a know if animal. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Insufficient for practtical purposes. You may stipulate that >>>>>>>>>>> nitroglycerine is not poison but it can kill you anyway. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The point is that <is> the way the linguistic truth actually >>>>>>>>>> works. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've never seen or heard any linguist say so. The term has been >>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>> by DG Schwartz in 1985. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is similar to the analytic/synthetic distinction >>>>>>>> yet unequivocal. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am redefining the term analytic truth to have a >>>>>>>> similar definition and calling this {linguistic truth}. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Expression of X of language L is proved true entirely >>>>>>>> based on its meaning expressed in language L. Empirical >>>>>>>> truth requires sense data from the sense organs to be >>>>>>>> verified as true. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Seems that you don't know about any linguist that has used the term. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I INVENTED A BRAND NEW FREAKING TERM >>>>> >>>>> Is it really a new term if someone else (DG Schwartz) has used it >>>>> before? >>>>> Is it a term for a new concept or a new term for an old concept? >>>>> >>>> >>>> A stipulative definition is a type of definition in which a >>>> new or currently existing term is given a new specific meaning >>>> for the purposes of argument or discussion in a given context. >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stipulative_definition >>> >>> A stipulative definition is a temporary hack when it is not clear >>> what the definition should be or when a need for a good definitino >>> is not expected. A stipluative definition is not valid outside the >>> opus or discussion where it is presented. >>> >>>> *LINGUISTIC TRUTH IS STIPULATED TO MEAN* >>>> When expression X of language L is connected to its semantic >>>> meaning M by a sequence of truth preserving operations P in >>>> language L then and only then is X true in L. That was the >>>> True(L,X) that Tarski "proved" cannot possibly exist. >>>> Copyright 2024 Olcott >>> >>> With that definition Tarski proved that linguistic truth is not >>> identifiable. >>> >> >> No he did not. Tarski's proof that begins with the Liar Paradox >> gets rejected at step (3). > > In the system Tarski was using (i.e. ordinary logic) a proof cannot > be rejected. > If the system is too stupid to reject invalid input then it is too stupid. Ordinary logic is too stupid to even say the Liar Paradox that I what I invented minimal type theory. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331859461_Minimal_Type_Theory_YACC_BNF LP := ~True(LP) (0) not (1) (1) true (0) // cycle in digraph -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer