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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Address bits again, Article on new mainframe use Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2024 07:41:36 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 25 Message-ID: <vbrhjg$3fqkc$4@dont-email.me> References: <vb9r4g$2o1f$1@gal.iecc.com> <vbm610$2aolh$2@dont-email.me> <873530da43db3e0861f42ffa00aa68dd@www.novabbs.org> <vbokvu$2ptgq$1@dont-email.me> <vbqt76$10j8$1@gal.iecc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2024 09:41:36 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="4818e99c43a92fda07902f52f7adfbd5"; logging-data="3664524"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+vuH+HmqVd3U4bnNy6gbGX" User-Agent: Pan/0.160 (Toresk; ) Cancel-Lock: sha1:5hJPADecfFKUo6+qqYNAiHGS0hA= Bytes: 2000 On Wed, 11 Sep 2024 01:53:42 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote: > According to Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>: >> >>On Mon, 9 Sep 2024 16:55:44 +0000, MitchAlsup1 wrote: >> >>> With pages you can swap parts of a segment (page at a time) with >>> segmentation (only) you cannot swap parts of the segment. >> >> Mixing the two seems counterproductive, unless you have few, large >> segments. Burroughs-style segments were smaller and more numerous than >> that. > > Multics had paged segments. The segments were as I recall 18 bit word > addressed so about a megabyte. The pages were perhaps 1K. It worked > pretty well. That’s what I mean about “large” segments. I think the segment size limited the file size as well. > An underappreciated advantage of paging is that the pages are all the > same size. Nothing underappreciated about it. It’s the reason why we have pages nowadays and no segments.