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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: BOLO pervert cyclist Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2024 12:23:31 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 139 Message-ID: <vbrr33$3gpr1$1@dont-email.me> References: <vblcmn$23nv7$8@dont-email.me> <02jtdj968o694vnh6ah51b0tvmdn82d2na@4ax.com> <1nEDO.435880$VK2e.312511@fx01.ams4> <mb6udj58hnhjie04rjfg532eu4vkd48jo3@4ax.com> <vbnkov$2hi4h$2@dont-email.me> <b3pudj93app3turcp5tod6kg5ue8ra5glq@4ax.com> <vbo8hr$2nteo$3@dont-email.me> <qgtvdjl0r6m2kvf5nol46mrhii7qq0t2qt@4ax.com> <VAUDO.581098$EVn.179563@fx04.ams4> <h280ej9ft0dsbtso1q57dlvk08coqmdeqi@4ax.com> <vbpa4k$2tn8p$1@dont-email.me> <mmp0ejljdsgi6frsuuem6m2ie4ov8udfiq@4ax.com> <dot1ej91chi45ld3v5dmgen76kahr481s8@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2024 12:23:31 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2b4f9cba170f391b1a1cda5f5b584ab7"; logging-data="3696481"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+Oy6YnsyxwOP5b0kjk3lj4" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:w4c7PSM3M4KAPwyMXcgnDt6qd84= In-Reply-To: <dot1ej91chi45ld3v5dmgen76kahr481s8@4ax.com> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 8134 Am 11.09.2024 um 03:52 schrieb John B.: > On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 12:05:53 -0400, Catrike Ryder > <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: > >> On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 13:21:56 +0200, Rolf Mantel >> <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote: >> >>> Am 10.09.2024 um 12:54 schrieb Catrike Ryder: >>>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 09:47:33 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 9 Sep 2024 21:48:43 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/9/2024 5:11 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote: >>>>>>>> On Mon, 9 Sep 2024 16:11:11 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 9/9/2024 11:57 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As I said, we drive over a hundred miles. Park where there ae no >>>>>>>>>> chargers or gas stations, then drive home, knowing that finding a gas >>>>>>>>>> station is not going to be a problem. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, I've done that many times with this EV. And finding a gas >>>>>>>>> station is even less of a problem for me - because I don't use them any >>>>>>>>> more! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In a car with a 250 Mile range? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 250 nominal. Given things like Google Maps, I can be quite sure of the >>>>>>> distance I'll be traveling. >>>>>> >>>>>> Google maps don't make your trips any shorter. >>>>>> >>>>>> With Google Maps, if I'm going somewhere in particular, I generally >>>>>> look for less time on the road, rather than less miles, and I don't >>>>>> need to be sure of the distance. Oft times, we just go for a ride, >>>>>> stop for a meal at some down home, mom and pop restaurant, and maybe >>>>>> take a walk along a strip of seashore, or on a path through a wooded >>>>>> park. >>>>>> >>>>>> On our drive back and forth to Colorado a few years ago, we got >>>>>> enthralled with the Ozarks, and wasted several hours driving around >>>>>> and up and down on narrow windy two lane roads. You talk about >>>>>> experiencing new vistas on your bicycle, but you can't really see very >>>>>> much while traveling on a bicycle. It's nice to have a vehicle that >>>>>> you don't have to concern yourself with where there is going to be >>>>>> some charging stations. Gas stations are almost always right around >>>>>> the corner or at the next exit, and almost always with an open lane. >>>>>> >>>>>>> And for longer trips I charge to 100%, which >>>>>>> has given me a predicted range as high as 294 miles in decent weather. >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh yes, I'll bet an EV presents special problems in the winter. A >>>>>> heavier car can be a good thing for going through snow, but a >>>>>> hindrance on ice and packed snow, and using the defroster and heater >>>>>> are of no concern. >>>>>> >>>>> Unless you have a 1st generation Nissan leaf it’s not an issue, EV range >>>>> will drop in cold weather but not massively so don’t believe click bate >>>>> articles! >>>> >>>> I'm pretty sure the batteries don't work as well, and then there's the >>>> heater. You can drive without the air conditioner, even in Florida. I >>>> like the windows open unless I'm driving over 40 MPH. I suppose one >>>> can drive in 15 degree weather without the heater on, but I wouldn't >>>> wan to do it. >>> >>> The heater /air conditioner has a big impact on the first 10 miles to >>> bring the car to a meaningful temperature. On a 300 mile trip at 95F >>> with air conditioner, battery consumption is very similar to the same >>> 30o mile trip as 70F without air conditioner. >>> >>>>>> Stop and go traffic can be a >>>>>> bother, but it never makes me worry about running out of gas. An >>>>>> accident ahead on a limited access highway that stops or slows things >>>>>> down to a crawl can be much more than a bother, but again, it's quick >>>>>> and easy to keep the tank full enough for that not to be an issue. >>>>> >>>>> Stop go traffic or busy traffic a EV will cope with fine as unlike a ICE >>>>> car if stop it doesn’t use motor power that’s why EV range is worse on the >>>>> highways vs around town. >>>> >>>> Most stop and go traffic isn't stopped long enough to recover what >>>> it'll cost to start up. >>>> >>>> Starting and stopping takes more energy (fuel) than when cruising >>>> along. That's true with either one. >>> >>> An EV recovers 70-80% of the braking energy, so start-stop is not an >>> issue. What is a real boon is that start/stop at 30 mph gives you close >>> to double the range of cruising at 60 mph. >>> >>>> If you read about driving >>>> efficiently, you'l learn not to waste energy by hard braking. You lose >>>> by wasting momentum and having a standing start instead of the rolling >>>> start because of your gradual slowdown. Even with an EV, it pays if >>>> you don't brake hard... >>> >>> Sure, I can get 10% extra mileage than my son at similar driving speeds >>> but 10% is not significant. The Bicycle mindset "if you need to brake >>> hard you probably should have started coasting 30s ago" does help a bit. >>> >>>> and yeah, I know that with some EV's braking can charge the battery. >>> >>> Make that all EV cars (but not EV bicycles). >>> >>> Rolf >> >> Sorry, I'm not buying the claims that electric cars are as useful as >> gasoline powered cars. The hype is coming from sources I don't >> trust... Such as the White House. >> >> And then there's reports like this: >> >> https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/road-tripping-in-our-long-term-electric-test-cars/ >> >> It doesn't really matter to me. If I should be able to drive long >> enough to need a new vehicle, it will be a pickup truck, and I know >> the electric trucks aren't more useful. > > Didn't I read something the other day about insurance for electric > cars had being raised in Florida due to high repair costs? Insurance rates are set for separately for each individual vehicle type. On reading carefully, you mostly find "Insurance for Tesla" went up catastrophically because 1) Tesla had a bad spare parts logistics (meaning insurance have to pay hire car for longer until a repiar can be done) 2) Few mechanics being trained to repair Tesla (meaning insurance have to pay hire car for longer until a repair can be done and while the repair is done, often the mechanic takes a lot longer than expected because they first have to learn about the particulars) You might find similar stories in the next few years for the new Chinese makes but very unlikely for EV of standard makes with an established dealer network.