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Subject: Re: {linguistic truth} is the foundation of truth in mathematical
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2024 07:21:09 -0500
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On 9/11/2024 2:27 AM, Mikko wrote:
> On 2024-09-10 13:14:44 +0000, olcott said:
> 
>> On 9/10/2024 4:20 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>> On 2024-09-09 13:22:24 +0000, olcott said:
>>>
>>>> On 9/7/2024 8:40 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 9/7/24 9:19 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/7/2024 3:41 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-09-06 12:13:22 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/6/2024 7:03 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-09-05 23:41:55 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A whole body of {linguistic truth} can be defined as expressions
>>>>>>>>>> of language that are true on the basis of their meaning expressed
>>>>>>>>>> in this same language.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Expressions that can only be known to be true on the basis
>>>>>>>>>> of observation belong to a different class of knowledge.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Linguistic things should be discussed in sci.lang.
>>>>>>>>> This group is for things related to logic.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The actual foundation of logical and mathematical truth
>>>>>>>> is simply relations between finite strings, thus linguistic
>>>>>>>> truth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think logicians want to use the word "linguistic" for 
>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>> in foundations of logic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't care. When I refer to analytic truth most everyone
>>>>>> says that has been disavowed by Quine and the conversation
>>>>>> dies right there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The most apt name for truth specified by relations between
>>>>>> finite strings is linguistic truth. Truth that requires sense
>>>>>> data form the sense organs become empirical truth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This converts the analytic/synthetic distinction into the
>>>>>> linguistic/empirical distinction so Willard Van Orman Quine
>>>>>> can STFU !
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem is that you don't seem to understand the concept of 
>>>>> domain of discussion (or context).
>>>>>
>>>>> Quine is talking about the limitation of Natural Language to 
>>>>> discuss concepts, that BECAUSE words can have ill-defined meaning, 
>>>>> a statement in Natural Language can be ambiguous.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Quine is just too freaking stupid to understand that the term 
>>>> "bachelor"
>>>> is an otherwise totally meaningless finite string until it is 
>>>> stipulated
>>>> to have the meaning of ~Married & Adult & Male.
>>>
>>> If he is too stupid to understand that then why does he claim it?
>>>
>> Rudolf Carnap claims it and Willard Van Orman Quine
>> is too stupid to understand it.
>>
>> Two Dogmas of Empiricism
>> https://www.ditext.com/quine/quine.html
>> I should probably read his whole paper.
> 
> In that text (section (ner the end of section I) Quine claims that 
> "bachelor"
> means the same as "unmarried man". What do you find wrong with Quine's 
> claim?
> 

Some how Quine convinced most people that the analytic/synthetic
distinction does not exist. I never could understand how people
could be so stupid to believe this so I formulated my own
linguistic/empirical distinction.

Truth entirely contained within language versus truth requiring
sense data from the sense organs.

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hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer