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On 9/11/2024 10:04 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Sep 2024 12:23:31 +0200, Rolf Mantel
> <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
> 
>> Insurance rates are set for separately for each individual vehicle type.
>> On reading carefully, you mostly find "Insurance for Tesla" went up
>> catastrophically because
>> 1) Tesla had a bad spare parts logistics (meaning insurance have to pay
>> hire car for longer until a repiar can be done)
>> 2) Few mechanics being trained to repair Tesla (meaning insurance have
>> to pay hire car for longer until a repair can be done and while the
>> repair is done, often the mechanic takes a lot longer than expected
>> because they first have to learn about the particulars)
> 
> Higher insurance rates might not be totally due to dealer network
> problems.  The drivers might also be at fault.  See any of these
> videos for what drivers do to their vehicles:
> <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=just+rolled+in>
> <https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=just+rolled+in+Tesla>
> 
>> You might find similar stories in the next few years for the new Chinese
>> makes but very unlikely for EV of standard makes with an established
>> dealer network.
> 
> Today's cars are designed to be diagnosed by a computer, not a trained
> or independent mechanic.  The vehicle is plugged into a computer,
> which is connected via the internet to a computer operated by the
> manufacturer.  The diagnostics are run and the results are printed.
> The mechanic just follows the instructions and replaces parts until
> the problem is fixed.  Little wonder repair costs have dramatically
> increased.  I suspect all new EV's are repaired in this manner.

Rolfs comment was not about the tools used. It was about tool and parts 
availability.
- While Tesla does have a standardized CAN bus interface, the more 
complex diagnostics require proprietary Tesla tools. Most non-Tesla 
repair businesses aren't going to spring for that (especially the 
independents), and in fact may not be allowed to do so depending on what 
state they are in (right-to-repair laws are not uniform).
- The other part of that is supply chain for parts. As Rolf mentioned, 
if they can't get the parts, the insurance company may have to spring 
for an extended loaner.





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