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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!usenet.goja.nl.eu.org!nntp.terraraq.uk!news1.firedrake.org!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Latest Neanderthal genome sequence Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2024 20:59:15 -0400 Organization: Eek Lines: 50 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <vbted6$3svl2$1@dont-email.me> References: <vbt4ek$3r28t$1@dont-email.me> Reply-To: jtem01@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="32831"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:4LFi6hnazyB15rZL6ATlt2AQqtI= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 6738222986F; Wed, 11 Sep 2024 20:59:12 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DA7922978C for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Wed, 11 Sep 2024 20:59:10 -0400 (EDT) id B3489872AC; Wed, 11 Sep 2024 20:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay.zaccari.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85A4B7FCB8 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Wed, 11 Sep 2024 20:59:22 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 mod-relay.zaccari.net 85A4B7FCB8 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C1E65F855 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Thu, 12 Sep 2024 00:59:19 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/3C1E65F855; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id BBFC3DC01A9; Thu, 12 Sep 2024 02:59:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 02:59:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1+flE7tXZ+/Ve9tOuu6R0Hve27DKPefaq0= In-Reply-To: <vbt4ek$3r28t$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD,FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 4170 RonO wrote: > The modern humans that invaded Europe seemed to have a means to limit > inbreeding. One sex stayed with the clan and the other left to join > other clans. This has been claimed for Neanderthals for quite some time, that females would peel off, join some other group. In the past I noted that this is similar behavior to that seen in modern Chimps. And I even speculated on any influence trauma may have on the habit because... why not? I like to go places that others are afraid to go. Neanderthals were humans. Even if you have to call them a different species of humans they were humans. It's very likely that their psychology mapped closely to our own. A different, a different place... different social parameters and a whole lot of 'Roid Rage. But nothing we would be unfamiliar with, I would argue. Maybe a dominant male drives away or more likely kills the love interest of a female? Or kills a baby? They tell us that Chimp females give birth in secret, to keep a dominant make from ripping it to pieces... eating it. I'm certain Neanderthals had a top/down dominant male. Some of the DNA evidence only makes sense if one make had multiple partners, even daughters. Sounds brutal, animalistic, but it was true for many so called modern human societies, Egypt chief amongst them... > One thing about inbreeding is that it can mess with genetic relationship > analysis. But it's always present. It's never a question "if" but always one of "to what extant?" -- https://jtem.tumblr.com/tagged/The%20Book%20of%20JTEM/page/5