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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: what's a mainframe, was is Vax addressing sane today Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 10:50:33 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 24 Message-ID: <vbua0p$5rr9$1@dont-email.me> References: <vbd6b9$g147$1@dont-email.me> <2024Sep11.113204@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <vbsg1v$1lt4$1@gal.iecc.com> <vbsjdk$f01n$3@dont-email.me> <vbsl9j$2r0b$1@gal.iecc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 10:50:33 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="3d83e20e4e23475731adb3f8f7a92b31"; logging-data="192361"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX193cwSGofqZjD48mS02X/G2Pgs3WOEq00kR90icoqVSvA==" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.18.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:EaX0Mla+ebSgLET0nLX9UozCsLs= In-Reply-To: <vbsl9j$2r0b$1@gal.iecc.com> Bytes: 2207 John Levine wrote: > According to Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid>: >>> IBM definitely cared about maximum performance in the 1950s and early >> 1960s. >> >> Yes. And remember, one of the goals of S/360 was to provide an >> architecture that could handle both scientific (i.e. compute bound) and >> business (i.e. I/O bound) workloads. > > I don't think anyone would have forseen how quickly scientific computing > moved to mini and micro computers with fast CPUs and weak peripherals. > Perhaps once the RAM is big enough to hold all the data the I/O performance > is not a big deal. Back around 1986 or so I stated that all programming tasks will migrate down to the lowest/cheapest architecture which is large enough to handle the task. This meant that I was sure both minis and mainframes would go away, so I was in fact only 99.9% correct. :-) Terje -- - <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no> "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"