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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: connected lights
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2024 08:20:29 -0500
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On 9/13/2024 3:39 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 15:10:57 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 02:37:04 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 21:57:15 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/12/2024 8:50 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 9/12/2024 6:45 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 5:40 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 16:13:42 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Understood. Your near-default point is "Everyone's decision is
>>>>>>>> correct."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My frequent point is "You don't need to go to extremes to be safe,
>>>>>>>> especially on a bike."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My frequent point is that safe is a subjective evaluation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I feel safe on a bicycle sidepath, you don't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You feel safe on a bicycle sidepath only if you've got a handgun ready
>>>>>> to draw and fire within a second or two.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Correct. Suits his situation, in his personal evaluation.
>>>>>
>>>>> As always, when seconds matter, 911 is just twenty minutes away.
>>>>
>>>> "His situation" is shared by many other path users. I'm betting he's the
>>>> only one so afraid as to never ride without his gun.
>>>
>>> Whose to say? Could very well be true on those sidepaths, where's
>>> there's ususally a lot of other people around.
>>
>> Since I believe that Frankie brought up 9-11. Had any passenger been
>> armed at least one of the flights - Flight 93 - would likely not have
>> crashed.
>>
>> And possibly even one or more of the other 3, although the time would
>> have been very close.
>>
>> AND I believe that armed Sky Marshals are still flying. A whole bunch
>> of cowards according to Frankie's theories.
> 
> Guns are a pretty popular thing in the USA, and the laws are loosening
> up to accommodate them (us). There's really not very many loonies who
> are afraid of having a gun their home.
> 
> "About four-in-ten U.S. adults say they live in a household with a
> gun, including 32% who say they personally own one, according to a
> Center survey conducted in June 2023. These numbers are virtually
> unchanged since the last time we asked this question in 2021."
> 
> https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/24/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/
> 
> Also from that cite:
> "About half of Americans who don’t own a gun (52%) say they could
> never see themselves owning one, while nearly as many (47%) could
> imagine themselves as gun owners in the future."
> 
> Poland Ohio looks to be a predominately conservative leaning
> community. I wonder how many Poland residents own guns. I wonder how
> many of Krygowski's bike club members own one. I wonder how many carry
> one on their group rides. There are many that would easily fit in a
> handlebar bag.  Knowing his fear of guns, they probably wouldn't tell
> him, and if they did, he wouldn't admit it here.
> 

I've seen those numbers and assume that some significant 
number of firearm owners would not willingly volunteer that 
information when asked.

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Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
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