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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: gun carrry on bikes Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2024 09:17:23 -0500 Organization: Yellow Jersey, Ltd. Lines: 138 Message-ID: <vc45tj$1gaju$5@dont-email.me> References: <vbuo7u$8isg$2@dont-email.me> <vbvi1o$d607$6@dont-email.me> <0un6ejt9tqtc56insillmc0je5mo7pl6oh@4ax.com> <vbvue1$fuma$2@dont-email.me> <vc029e$gjs6$3@dont-email.me> <vc065r$l0sd$3@dont-email.me> <vc1d41$scvq$2@dont-email.me> <TVWEO.203902$kpic.201042@fx15.ams4> <vc1f53$ssl8$1@dont-email.me> <jL_EO.385225$grz1.291350@fx03.ams4> <vc1urd$vige$2@dont-email.me> <1r%EO.304287$kpic.194284@fx15.ams4> <7g19ejd7f87rbnjhp7o81fm27vb7v5vv07@4ax.com> <HG0FO.731584$azJ4.425506@fx16.ams4> <l269ejl2qv33b902c7f1lir48biu8d6rl7@4ax.com> <BacFO.733442$azJ4.36608@fx16.ams4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:17:23 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="22ef68e1bc45863255114a1c41e4ebd5"; logging-data="1583742"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX193+Q0qwUyLbFfnoglqBSiO" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:IiTzW4TIqVGJJnkl6JIWGwbL04k= In-Reply-To: <BacFO.733442$azJ4.36608@fx16.ams4> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 7302 On 9/14/2024 3:53 AM, Roger Merriman wrote: > Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >> On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 19:48:55 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 18:23:57 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>> On 9/13/2024 12:37 PM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 9/13/2024 8:15 AM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 8:57 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 8:50 PM, AMuzi wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 6:45 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 5:40 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 16:13:42 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Understood. Your near-default point is "Everyone's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision is correct." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My frequent point is "You don't need to go to extremes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be safe, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially on a bike." >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My frequent point is that safe is a subjective evaluation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel safe on a bicycle sidepath, you don't. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You feel safe on a bicycle sidepath only if you've got a >>>>>>>>>>>>> handgun ready to draw and fire within a second or two. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Correct. Suits his situation, in his personal evaluation. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As always, when seconds matter, 911 is just twenty minutes >>>>>>>>>>>> away. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "His situation" is shared by many other path users. I'm >>>>>>>>>>> betting he's the only one so afraid as to never ride without >>>>>>>>>>> his gun. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Maybe not for those previously mugged. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There seems to be lack of equipment to carry a gun on a bike, and indeed >>>>>>>>> it?s not mentioned by American YouTubers and so on. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It appears not to be sold which suggests doesn?t really have a market, and >>>>>>>>> you can buy all sorts of cycling accessories for you phone and so on. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Let alone that from how he described it, it?s a nice pleasurable place to >>>>>>>>> ride. Doesn?t sound risky or deprived which often are linked for well >>>>>>>>> reasons. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That he wants to and so on, well that?s his choice and so on but doesn?t >>>>>>>>> sound like he rides in a risky area. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Easily fabricated as Mr Tricycle has or just one click on >>>>>>>> Amazon: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/bikase-gunkase-motorcycle-subcompact-handguns/dp/b0839m7t3y >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'll bet you £1 that your local London area shop doesn't >>>>>>>> stock them. Different market entirely. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I admire his initiative and effort to do so but that?s kinda of the point, >>>>>>> I suspect that your bike shop and one?s local to Him would also not stock >>>>>>> them or similar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As it?s just not a thing for most cyclists after all if it was be more than >>>>>>> random Amazon bits. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> We stock it and sell them occasionally. Less than inner >>>>>> tubes, but some. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That I?m mildly surprised by, though I?m still unconvinced it?s common or >>>>> more bike related company?s would make such stuff. >>>>> >>>>> Roger Merriman >>>> >>>> The Catrike is a unique situation. There's no way to put on a >>>> handlebar bag or a top bar bag, or the little holster shown above. >>>> I've been working with PVC pipe a lot: >>> >>> Even so its clearly not a common thing or item,Id suspect that a hand gun >>> with its shape weight would need to be be somewhat ungainly weight in a bar >>> or top bag, Id assume be fine with MTB backpacks/hydration packs as they >>> tend to have lots of pockets and be made with more durable/stuff material. >> >> My Bersa thunder weighs 20 oz empty. Height 4.9" length 1.3 " >> >> Nine .380 rds weighs another 3 or 4 oz. The whole package is about the >> same weight as a 24 oz bottle of water and much smaller. >> https://bersausa.com/product/thunder-380/ > > Less it’s absolute weight more that it’s going focus it’s weight due its > shape and size, and certainly with bar bags (along the handlebars) unless > it’s a fairly packed bag it’s going to get tossed about, and so on. > > Likewise jersey pockets and so on likely to sub par so for folks who do > unless it’s a fairly relaxed man on a bike types would need to find some > solutions. >> >>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53992548551/in/datetaken/ >>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53992540086/in/datetaken/ >>>> >>>> and it looked easier than it was. It involved heating and bending the >>>> Pvc Pipe and quickly cooling it to lock the shape. Then cutting and >>>> grinding make it so the Kydex holster fit and locked into it. >>>> >>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53145141933/in/datetaken/ >>>> >>>> The Kydex holster is important because it protects the trigger. I can >>>> use that same Kydex holster with out any changes to clip onto my belt >>>> for inside the waistband carry. >>>> >>> I do admire the effort even if I dont see the usefulness of it as you >>> were. The Ancients seemed to manage quite well: https://onlinebicyclemuseum.co.uk/1890s-velodog-pistol-french-cyclists-dog-scarer/ These and similar were wildly popular. -- Andrew Muzi am@yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971