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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: gun carrry on bikes Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:46:26 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 170 Message-ID: <vc4sn4$1li1o$3@dont-email.me> References: <vbuo7u$8isg$2@dont-email.me> <vbvi1o$d607$6@dont-email.me> <0un6ejt9tqtc56insillmc0je5mo7pl6oh@4ax.com> <vbvue1$fuma$2@dont-email.me> <vc029e$gjs6$3@dont-email.me> <vc065r$l0sd$3@dont-email.me> <vc1d41$scvq$2@dont-email.me> <TVWEO.203902$kpic.201042@fx15.ams4> <vc1f53$ssl8$1@dont-email.me> <jL_EO.385225$grz1.291350@fx03.ams4> <vc1urd$vige$2@dont-email.me> <1r%EO.304287$kpic.194284@fx15.ams4> <7g19ejd7f87rbnjhp7o81fm27vb7v5vv07@4ax.com> <HG0FO.731584$azJ4.425506@fx16.ams4> <l269ejl2qv33b902c7f1lir48biu8d6rl7@4ax.com> <BacFO.733442$azJ4.36608@fx16.ams4> <vc45tj$1gaju$5@dont-email.me> Reply-To: frkrygow@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2024 22:46:29 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="732d1e06b6039f82e7f20b01fad3e120"; logging-data="1755192"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19W1YQ30rrg0pRq0Q816NAz8x4h9zOZH3s=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:B5wnGGJIXWhQN2yXkpdHieoJyVI= In-Reply-To: <vc45tj$1gaju$5@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 8504 On 9/14/2024 10:17 AM, AMuzi wrote: > On 9/14/2024 3:53 AM, Roger Merriman wrote: >> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 19:48:55 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 18:23:57 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>> On 9/13/2024 12:37 PM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 9/13/2024 8:15 AM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 8:57 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 8:50 PM, AMuzi wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 6:45 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 5:40 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 16:13:42 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Understood. Your near-default point is "Everyone's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision is correct." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My frequent point is "You don't need to go to extremes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be safe, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially on a bike." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My frequent point is that safe is a subjective evaluation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel safe on a bicycle sidepath, you don't. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You feel safe on a bicycle sidepath only if you've got a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> handgun ready to draw and fire within a second or two. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct. Suits his situation, in his personal evaluation. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As always, when seconds matter, 911 is just twenty minutes >>>>>>>>>>>>> away. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "His situation" is shared by many other path users. I'm >>>>>>>>>>>> betting he's the only one so afraid as to never ride without >>>>>>>>>>>> his gun. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Maybe not for those previously mugged. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There seems to be lack of equipment to carry a gun on a bike, >>>>>>>>>> and indeed >>>>>>>>>> it?s not mentioned by American YouTubers and so on. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It appears not to be sold which suggests doesn?t really have a >>>>>>>>>> market, and >>>>>>>>>> you can buy all sorts of cycling accessories for you phone and >>>>>>>>>> so on. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let alone that from how he described it, it?s a nice >>>>>>>>>> pleasurable place to >>>>>>>>>> ride. Doesn?t sound risky or deprived which often are linked >>>>>>>>>> for well >>>>>>>>>> reasons. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That he wants to and so on, well that?s his choice and so on >>>>>>>>>> but doesn?t >>>>>>>>>> sound like he rides in a risky area. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Easily fabricated as Mr Tricycle has or just one click on >>>>>>>>> Amazon: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/bikase-gunkase-motorcycle-subcompact- >>>>>>>>> handguns/dp/b0839m7t3y >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'll bet you £1 that your local London area shop doesn't >>>>>>>>> stock them. Different market entirely. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I admire his initiative and effort to do so but that?s kinda of >>>>>>>> the point, >>>>>>>> I suspect that your bike shop and one?s local to Him would also >>>>>>>> not stock >>>>>>>> them or similar. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As it?s just not a thing for most cyclists after all if it was >>>>>>>> be more than >>>>>>>> random Amazon bits. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We stock it and sell them occasionally. Less than inner >>>>>>> tubes, but some. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That I?m mildly surprised by, though I?m still unconvinced it?s >>>>>> common or >>>>>> more bike related company?s would make such stuff. >>>>>> >>>>>> Roger Merriman >>>>> >>>>> The Catrike is a unique situation. There's no way to put on a >>>>> handlebar bag or a top bar bag, or the little holster shown above. >>>>> I've been working with PVC pipe a lot: >>>> >>>> Even so its clearly not a common thing or item,Id suspect that a >>>> hand gun >>>> with its shape weight would need to be be somewhat ungainly weight >>>> in a bar >>>> or top bag, Id assume be fine with MTB backpacks/hydration packs as >>>> they >>>> tend to have lots of pockets and be made with more durable/stuff >>>> material. >>> >>> My Bersa thunder weighs 20 oz empty. Height 4.9" length 1.3 " >>> >>> Nine .380 rds weighs another 3 or 4 oz. The whole package is about the >>> same weight as a 24 oz bottle of water and much smaller. >>> https://bersausa.com/product/thunder-380/ >> >> Less it’s absolute weight more that it’s going focus it’s weight due its >> shape and size, and certainly with bar bags (along the handlebars) unless >> it’s a fairly packed bag it’s going to get tossed about, and so on. >> >> Likewise jersey pockets and so on likely to sub par so for folks who do >> unless it’s a fairly relaxed man on a bike types would need to find some >> solutions. >>> >>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53992548551/in/datetaken/ >>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53992540086/in/datetaken/ >>>>> >>>>> and it looked easier than it was. It involved heating and bending the >>>>> Pvc Pipe and quickly cooling it to lock the shape. Then cutting and >>>>> grinding make it so the Kydex holster fit and locked into it. >>>>> >>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53145141933/in/datetaken/ >>>>> >>>>> The Kydex holster is important because it protects the trigger. I can >>>>> use that same Kydex holster with out any changes to clip onto my belt >>>>> for inside the waistband carry. >>>>> >>>> I do admire the effort even if I dont see the usefulness of it as you >>>> were. > > The Ancients seemed to manage quite well: > > https://onlinebicyclemuseum.co.uk/1890s-velodog-pistol-french-cyclists- > dog-scarer/ > > These and similar were wildly popular. To summarize? There are some niche products to allow cyclists (and motorcyclists, and hikers, etc.) to carry handguns. They are certainly not common. There was a time when riders were sold handguns to scare away dogs. But "wildly popular?" I'd like to see data. Riding in present day France, and reading extensively about French cycling, I've never come across evidence that those or any other guns are ever carried while riding. Come to think of it, we still haven't found anyone here saying they commonly carry a gun while riding. Well, except one person, a man who said riding on a normal road cannot be safe, who is also afraid to walk his residential neighborhood without a gun, and who is afraid to respond to others who greet him on his segregated bike trail. Such fear! -- ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========