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From: Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
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Subject: Re: another hint of quantum consciousness
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 15:28:34 +1000
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On 15/09/2024 5:02 am, john larkin wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 14:38:14 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 10:33:37 -0700, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 13:03:07 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 08:13:10 -0700, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://scitechdaily.com/groundbreaking-study-affirms-quantum-basis-for-consciousness-a-paradigm-shift-in-understanding-human-nature/
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting way to define consciousness, the thing that goes away when
>>>>> an a general anesthetic is applied. That can be quantified.
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't get too fired up.  The researchers are undergrads, and the
>>>> bit about microtubles originally came from Penrose, back before the
>>>> Neurocomputation field had found plausible mechanisms in vector
>>>> algebra over hyperdimensional parameter spaces.
>>>
>>> Undergrads and amateurs often shake up scientific dogma.
>>
>> Uncommon, but certainly not unheard of.
>>
>>
>>>> Given that microtubules are very widely employed in all cells for all
>>>> manner of purposes, blocking microtubules does not imply that quantum
>>>> mechanics are or are not involved, as blocking anything that
>>>> fundamental is likely to affect very many things.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Evolution seems to use anything that works, even if scientists
>>> disapprove.
>>
>> True, but unhelpful.  It's not enough to observe that if A is blocked,
>> B stops working, and therefore the mechanism is X.  There are many
>> mechanisms simultaneously in action.  One must methodically rule out
>> all but a single X to claim causality.
> 
> I didn't claim causality, but it is possible.

At the "pigs might fly" level.

> Discoveries usually happen through accident and speculation. Slapping
> down speculation leaves only accident, which is unlikely in this case.
> 
> Designing electronics also benefits from being friendly to new ideas.

John Larkin has so few new ideas that he's very friendly to his own.
For the rest it's all not invented here.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney