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From: Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
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Subject: Re: another hint of quantum consciousness
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 15:56:16 +1000
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On 15/09/2024 1:03 pm, john larkin wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:39:20 -0700, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:18:44 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/14/24 20:08, john larkin wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:36:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/14/24 17:13, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://scitechdaily.com/groundbreaking-study-affirms-quantum-basis-for-consciousness-a-paradigm-shift-in-understanding-human-nature/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting way to define consciousness, the thing that goes away when
>>>>>> an a general anesthetic is applied. That can be quantified.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I paraphrase: "Since we don't know how it works, it must be quantum".
>>>>
>>>> Or, more conventionally, "It can't be quantum because QM only works at
>>>> liquid helium temperatures."
>>>>
>>>>> That's it then: Quantum-something is merely religion. The god of the
>>>>> gaps.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's a lot of quantum nonsense about. This is just one example.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, explain how we can name one image out of maybe a million stored
>>>> images, in a fraction of a second.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, that's the typical comeback of religious believers.
>>
>> I don't recall invoking religion here, or calling myself a believer. I
>> was asking about image storage and high-speed matching. It's even more
>> amazing when you consider all the optical distortions and viewing
>> angles and changes in illumination and motion effects in real life; we
>> don't match nice flat photos.
>>
>> How are our collections of images stored?
>>
>> When some people encounter an unwelcome idea, they call the people
>> that they disagree with bible bangers, and assume they have won the
>> argument.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I don't know how it works. Let's find out. AI seems to be
>>> getting there, and it requires no quantum theory. Just loads
>>> of data and a lot of matrix math.
>>
>> You are determined to exclude the possibility that are brains use QM.
>>
>> Given that most all physics and chemistry is fundamentally quantum
>> mechanical, why would evolution refuse to allow cells to use quantum
>> effects?
>>
>> Most people don't really believe in evolution.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Jeroen Belleman
> 
> It would be pretty good packing, storing one bit of data per atom.
> 
> https://interestingengineering.com/science/wobble-nucleus-of-atom-quantum-data
> 
> or maybe more than one.
> 
> Nice possibilities for quantum correlation, pattern matching, too.

If evolution is that clever, why doesn't it exploit error-detecton and 
-correction coding?

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney