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From: Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please>
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Subject: Re: another hint of quantum consciousness
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 11:32:50 +0200
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On 9/15/24 04:39, john larkin wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:18:44 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
> 
>> On 9/14/24 20:08, john larkin wrote:
>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:36:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/14/24 17:13, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://scitechdaily.com/groundbreaking-study-affirms-quantum-basis-for-consciousness-a-paradigm-shift-in-understanding-human-nature/
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting way to define consciousness, the thing that goes away when
>>>>> an a general anesthetic is applied. That can be quantified.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I paraphrase: "Since we don't know how it works, it must be quantum".
>>>
>>> Or, more conventionally, "It can't be quantum because QM only works at
>>> liquid helium temperatures."
>>>
>>>> That's it then: Quantum-something is merely religion. The god of the
>>>> gaps.
>>>>
>>>> There's a lot of quantum nonsense about. This is just one example.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, explain how we can name one image out of maybe a million stored
>>> images, in a fraction of a second.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, that's the typical comeback of religious believers.
> 
> I don't recall invoking religion here, or calling myself a believer. I
> was asking about image storage and high-speed matching. It's even more
> amazing when you consider all the optical distortions and viewing
> angles and changes in illumination and motion effects in real life; we
> don't match nice flat photos.

Believing things without evidence is what I meant by 'religious
beliefs'. I did not intend to refer to any deity.

> 
> How are our collections of images stored?
> 
> When some people encounter an unwelcome idea, they call the people
> that they disagree with bible bangers, and assume they have won the
> argument.
> 
> 
>>
>> I don't know how it works. Let's find out. AI seems to be
>> getting there, and it requires no quantum theory. Just loads
>> of data and a lot of matrix math.
> 
> You are determined to exclude the possibility that are brains use QM.
> 
> Given that most all physics and chemistry is fundamentally quantum
> mechanical, why would evolution refuse to allow cells to use quantum
> effects?
>

Precicely my point. We seem to agree after all.

Jeroen Belleman