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From: Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
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Subject: Re: another hint of quantum consciousness
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 10:53:11 GMT
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On a sunny day (Sun, 15 Sep 2024 15:56:16 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vc5su1$200qt$6@dont-email.me>:

>On 15/09/2024 1:03 pm, john larkin wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:39:20 -0700, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:18:44 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/14/24 20:08, john larkin wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:36:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>>>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/14/24 17:13, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://scitechdaily.com/groundbreaking-study-affirms-quantum-basis-for-consciousness-a-paradigm-shift-in-understanding-human-nature/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interesting way to define consciousness, the thing that goes away when
>>>>>>> an a general anesthetic is applied. That can be quantified.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I paraphrase: "Since we don't know how it works, it must be quantum".
>>>>>
>>>>> Or, more conventionally, "It can't be quantum because QM only works at
>>>>> liquid helium temperatures."
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's it then: Quantum-something is merely religion. The god of the
>>>>>> gaps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's a lot of quantum nonsense about. This is just one example.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, explain how we can name one image out of maybe a million stored
>>>>> images, in a fraction of a second.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that's the typical comeback of religious believers.
>>>
>>> I don't recall invoking religion here, or calling myself a believer. I
>>> was asking about image storage and high-speed matching. It's even more
>>> amazing when you consider all the optical distortions and viewing
>>> angles and changes in illumination and motion effects in real life; we
>>> don't match nice flat photos.
>>>
>>> How are our collections of images stored?
>>>
>>> When some people encounter an unwelcome idea, they call the people
>>> that they disagree with bible bangers, and assume they have won the
>>> argument.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know how it works. Let's find out. AI seems to be
>>>> getting there, and it requires no quantum theory. Just loads
>>>> of data and a lot of matrix math.
>>>
>>> You are determined to exclude the possibility that are brains use QM.
>>>
>>> Given that most all physics and chemistry is fundamentally quantum
>>> mechanical, why would evolution refuse to allow cells to use quantum
>>> effects?
>>>
>>> Most people don't really believe in evolution.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jeroen Belleman
>> 
>> It would be pretty good packing, storing one bit of data per atom.
>> 
>> https://interestingengineering.com/science/wobble-nucleus-of-atom-quantum-data
>> 
>> or maybe more than one.
>> 
>> Nice possibilities for quantum correlation, pattern matching, too.
>
>If evolution is that clever, why doesn't it exploit error-detecton and 
>-correction coding?
>Bill Sloman, Sydney

It does all the time in RNA DNA
I was reading this stuff this morning:
 Explaning DNA organisation in chromosomes:
 https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/09/240912135801.htm
 http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/sstr.202400203
  there is still a lot to learn

design something, write some code, show us.
plenty of broken records around, not interesting.





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