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From: Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please>
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Subject: Re: another hint of quantum consciousness
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 16:44:58 +0200
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On 9/15/24 12:53, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Sun, 15 Sep 2024 15:56:16 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vc5su1$200qt$6@dont-email.me>:
> 
>> On 15/09/2024 1:03 pm, john larkin wrote:
>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:39:20 -0700, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:18:44 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/14/24 20:08, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:36:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>>>>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/14/24 17:13, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://scitechdaily.com/groundbreaking-study-affirms-quantum-basis-for-consciousness-a-paradigm-shift-in-understanding-human-nature/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Interesting way to define consciousness, the thing that goes away when
>>>>>>>> an a general anesthetic is applied. That can be quantified.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I paraphrase: "Since we don't know how it works, it must be quantum".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or, more conventionally, "It can't be quantum because QM only works at
>>>>>> liquid helium temperatures."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's it then: Quantum-something is merely religion. The god of the
>>>>>>> gaps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's a lot of quantum nonsense about. This is just one example.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, explain how we can name one image out of maybe a million stored
>>>>>> images, in a fraction of a second.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, that's the typical comeback of religious believers.
>>>>
>>>> I don't recall invoking religion here, or calling myself a believer. I
>>>> was asking about image storage and high-speed matching. It's even more
>>>> amazing when you consider all the optical distortions and viewing
>>>> angles and changes in illumination and motion effects in real life; we
>>>> don't match nice flat photos.
>>>>
>>>> How are our collections of images stored?
>>>>
>>>> When some people encounter an unwelcome idea, they call the people
>>>> that they disagree with bible bangers, and assume they have won the
>>>> argument.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know how it works. Let's find out. AI seems to be
>>>>> getting there, and it requires no quantum theory. Just loads
>>>>> of data and a lot of matrix math.
>>>>
>>>> You are determined to exclude the possibility that are brains use QM.
>>>>
>>>> Given that most all physics and chemistry is fundamentally quantum
>>>> mechanical, why would evolution refuse to allow cells to use quantum
>>>> effects?
>>>>
>>>> Most people don't really believe in evolution.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeroen Belleman
>>>
>>> It would be pretty good packing, storing one bit of data per atom.
>>>
>>> https://interestingengineering.com/science/wobble-nucleus-of-atom-quantum-data
>>>
>>> or maybe more than one.
>>>
>>> Nice possibilities for quantum correlation, pattern matching, too.
>>
>> If evolution is that clever, why doesn't it exploit error-detecton and
>> -correction coding?
>> Bill Sloman, Sydney
> 
> It does all the time in RNA DNA
> I was reading this stuff this morning:
>   Explaning DNA organisation in chromosomes:
>   https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/09/240912135801.htm
>   http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/sstr.202400203
>    there is still a lot to learn
> 
> design something, write some code, show us.
> plenty of broken records around, not interesting.
> 

An organism with extensive DNA repair ability is Deinococcus
Radiodurans, so evolution is apparently clever enough.

Jeroen Belleman