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From: Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
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Subject: Re: another hint of quantum consciousness
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2024 01:03:45 +1000
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On 16/09/2024 12:44 am, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
> On 9/15/24 12:53, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Sun, 15 Sep 2024 15:56:16 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in <vc5su1$200qt$6@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On 15/09/2024 1:03 pm, john larkin wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:39:20 -0700, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:18:44 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>>>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/14/24 20:08, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:36:35 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>>>>>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/14/24 17:13, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://scitechdaily.com/groundbreaking-study-affirms-quantum-basis-for-consciousness-a-paradigm-shift-in-understanding-human-nature/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Interesting way to define consciousness, the thing that goes 
>>>>>>>>> away when
>>>>>>>>> an a general anesthetic is applied. That can be quantified.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I paraphrase: "Since we don't know how it works, it must be 
>>>>>>>> quantum".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or, more conventionally, "It can't be quantum because QM only 
>>>>>>> works at
>>>>>>> liquid helium temperatures."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's it then: Quantum-something is merely religion. The god of 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> gaps.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There's a lot of quantum nonsense about. This is just one example.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, explain how we can name one image out of maybe a million 
>>>>>>> stored
>>>>>>> images, in a fraction of a second.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, that's the typical comeback of religious believers.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't recall invoking religion here, or calling myself a believer. I
>>>>> was asking about image storage and high-speed matching. It's even more
>>>>> amazing when you consider all the optical distortions and viewing
>>>>> angles and changes in illumination and motion effects in real life; we
>>>>> don't match nice flat photos.
>>>>>
>>>>> How are our collections of images stored?
>>>>>
>>>>> When some people encounter an unwelcome idea, they call the people
>>>>> that they disagree with bible bangers, and assume they have won the
>>>>> argument.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know how it works. Let's find out. AI seems to be
>>>>>> getting there, and it requires no quantum theory. Just loads
>>>>>> of data and a lot of matrix math.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are determined to exclude the possibility that are brains use QM.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given that most all physics and chemistry is fundamentally quantum
>>>>> mechanical, why would evolution refuse to allow cells to use quantum
>>>>> effects?
>>>>>
>>>>> Most people don't really believe in evolution.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeroen Belleman
>>>>
>>>> It would be pretty good packing, storing one bit of data per atom.
>>>>
>>>> https://interestingengineering.com/science/wobble-nucleus-of-atom-quantum-data
>>>>
>>>> or maybe more than one.
>>>>
>>>> Nice possibilities for quantum correlation, pattern matching, too.
>>>
>>> If evolution is that clever, why doesn't it exploit error-detecton and
>>> -correction coding?
>>> Bill Sloman, Sydney
>>
>> It does all the time in RNA DNA
>> I was reading this stuff this morning:
>>   Explaning DNA organisation in chromosomes:
>>   https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/09/240912135801.htm
>>   http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/sstr.202400203
>>    there is still a lot to learn
>>
>> design something, write some code, show us.
>> plenty of broken records around, not interesting.
> 
> An organism with extensive DNA repair ability is Deinococcus
> Radiodurans, so evolution is apparently clever enough.

The fact that it survives high radiation levels isn't evidence that it 
uses an error-detection and -correction coding scheme.

https://www.nature.com/articles/nrmicro1264

doesn't make any such claim.

Covid-19 has a "proof-reading stage" in it's RNA replication mechanism, 
which makes it less likely to make replication errors, but it isn't any 
kind of error-detection and correction coding scheme.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney